For some, yes. For others, no. Paso's right. Listen to your body.jerseyguy wrote:Wouldn't it be better to periodically expel the inflammatory substances trapped in prostate, caused by the nerve & muscle inflammation?
ejaculation frequency..
The Google group (sci.med.prostate.prostatitis) is the proper forum in which to discuss bacteria. Discussion of bacteria is off-topic in this forum.Astrotitan wrote:I would have to disagree with this stance, not that I believe that bacteria is the cause of CPPS. Its just that as soon as someone mentions the word bacteria they are shot down and chastised. A more diplomatic approach would be favourable, especially if they are new on this site.
This is not medical advice. Please consult your physician.
I don't think jerseyguy said anything about bacteria or infections.CppsDad wrote:Have you ever had a test that confirmed you had infectious material in there? As you know from reading this site's guidelines, discussions about hidden bacterias in the prostate that need to be excreted are forbidden, for many reasons that I won't go in to but you can read up on yourself.
This is not medical advice. Please consult your physician.
I agree, he merely asked about excreting the inflamatory substances that are trapped in the prostate. In my opinion this is different than talking about a pathological infection of the prostate.MastCells wrote:I don't think jerseyguy said anything about bacteria or infections.CppsDad wrote:Have you ever had a test that confirmed you had infectious material in there? As you know from reading this site's guidelines, discussions about hidden bacterias in the prostate that need to be excreted are forbidden, for many reasons that I won't go in to but you can read up on yourself.
Anyway, I'm sure no one is going to get banned for just typing the word, right? I think the point of the rule is to keep someone out who insists that we can all be cured by the right type of ABX and prostate massage, etc...
Age: 32 | Symptoms: Twingy pain/muscle spasms in groin area (gone), tingling sensation at tip of penis (has resolved as of now), urinary frequency (resolved as of now), thicker/decreased amount of semen (resolved as of now). Makes better: Stretching, Relaxing pelvic muscles, moment to moment relaxation, not sitting with legs crossed, Elavil, quercetin. Makes worse: Sitting, stress, more than one orgasm/day, constipation, manual labour
I do not believe that there is bacteria trapped in my prostate.
However, I am not able to explain how ejaculation breaks up the flare-up. I am trying to come up with an optimum frequency, without impeding the healing process. I do regular stretches, internal work once in a while.
Question still is what relieves the pain:
the contraction/relaxation of the muscles post-ejaculation or just that body is asking me to be regular or that there are inflammatory substances that are normal residents of the prostate not caused by any infections that want to get out
Thanks
However, I am not able to explain how ejaculation breaks up the flare-up. I am trying to come up with an optimum frequency, without impeding the healing process. I do regular stretches, internal work once in a while.
Question still is what relieves the pain:
the contraction/relaxation of the muscles post-ejaculation or just that body is asking me to be regular or that there are inflammatory substances that are normal residents of the prostate not caused by any infections that want to get out
Thanks
34 yr consultant, suffering from intermittently past 2 yrs. Tried various prostate supplements, symptoms relieved by ejaculation.
Symptoms- pain at tip and base of penis, urge to urinate (can hold off for hrs), dribbling at end of urination
Symptoms- pain at tip and base of penis, urge to urinate (can hold off for hrs), dribbling at end of urination
I always had similar questions when it was giving me relief. Even my PT couldn't explain it very well. But I guess I found my answer over time, it wasn't really helping me, just giving me temporary relief and making things worse in the long run. Even when it was giving me relief, my frequency was only about 3-4 times a week...I never pushed the envelope to everyday. I have now cut back to 1-2 times a week, since it seems to be bringing on discomfort instead of helping it.
Age: 45 Onset: 43. | Symptoms: Tightness, spasms, burning and pain in the perineum. Occassional mild pain after urination in the perineum. Helped by: Cardura, quitting caffiene, relaxation, fiber, stand up workstation and some PT a year ago. Makes Worse: ANXIETY, ULTRAM, going to work, sitting or squatting too long, constipation (big problems), stress, and sometimes unexplainable.
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There are a couple of things going on with ejaculation. Firstly, if ejaculation is particularly intense and accompanied by tremendous tensing of the pelvic muscles (as some men are prone to doing), then it can "goose" the pelvic nerves and cause a flare lasting up to a week. But on the other hand, it can help to expel sequestered prostatic fluids that are irritating the prostatic epithelium because of the load of pro-inflammatory chemicals they carry.jerseyguy wrote:I am not able to explain how ejaculation breaks up the flare-up. I am trying to come up with an optimum frequency, without impeding the healing process.
This contradictory dual nature of ejaculation usually leads men to decide to have gentle orgasms (relax during orgasm if masturbating, get underneath partner and relax during coitus) so as not to irritate the pelvic nerves, but to do it reasonably frequently (at least once a week) to prevent a build-up of noxious secretions.
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I hope 2/3 times a week is not too frequent in the long run. Question is how do we arrive at this frequency without an objective way of telling us what's happening in the long run. I will definitely continue the stretching..
Also, I make sure the act is not prolonged; lasting only for 5 mins or so.
Thanks
Also, I make sure the act is not prolonged; lasting only for 5 mins or so.
Thanks
34 yr consultant, suffering from intermittently past 2 yrs. Tried various prostate supplements, symptoms relieved by ejaculation.
Symptoms- pain at tip and base of penis, urge to urinate (can hold off for hrs), dribbling at end of urination
Symptoms- pain at tip and base of penis, urge to urinate (can hold off for hrs), dribbling at end of urination
2-3 times per week works well for me. And keep up the stretching, as you say!
This is NOT medical advice. I am NOT a doctor.
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
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wow....don't you guys go insane with only 2-3 or less per week? Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't be able to focus on anything if I had to stay at that level. Of course, when I was having a really tough time, getting one off was far from my mind and that really contributes to depression. But I'd say I'm at least once a day, if not more. SOmetimes I'm like a jack rabbit, but then again, I've always been that way since I was 12 and I'm still in my early 20s.
Sometimes it hurts, other times it relaxes everything but the pain is never enough to make me stop having sexual activity or severely lessening it.
Sometimes it hurts, other times it relaxes everything but the pain is never enough to make me stop having sexual activity or severely lessening it.
Age:23 | Onset Age:22 | Symptoms:Urinary hesitancy, moderate frequency, urgency and retention, slight perinneum, rectal and leg pain, frequent abdominal/bladder pain. Red/white spotty irritation on penis | Helped By:hot baths or showers, walking and moving around, pain medications | Worsened By: sitting for a long time, holding urine too long. I'd say I'm about 75% better naturally so far.
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2-3 per week is hard for me. Sometimes I do it more if my wife agrees. :)
This is NOT medical advice. I am NOT a doctor.
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
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well, for sex, I try to be ready for 3 rounds over a couple of hours (or less). I don't think that's probably a good idea....for anyone. But it can also be worth it. Right now, I think I'm having a flair because my pain level is probably a 4-5 in the perineum and I notice it's spasming down there, having some weaker urine flow. It's probably smart to rest the boys a bit when your pain is up eh?
Age:23 | Onset Age:22 | Symptoms:Urinary hesitancy, moderate frequency, urgency and retention, slight perinneum, rectal and leg pain, frequent abdominal/bladder pain. Red/white spotty irritation on penis | Helped By:hot baths or showers, walking and moving around, pain medications | Worsened By: sitting for a long time, holding urine too long. I'd say I'm about 75% better naturally so far.
I'd say listen to your body. My perineum is still the place I feel it the most when I overdo it. Make sure you are doing the squat stretch, and get a Theracane if you don't already have one to work on the muscles in the perineum. You could also be getting referred pain from the other side of the perineum internally (around the prostate), so internal work might not be a bad idea for you if haven't done this already.Right now, I think I'm having a flair because my pain level is probably a 4-5 in the perineum and I notice it's spasming down there, having some weaker urine flow. It's probably smart to rest the boys a bit when your pain is up eh?
This is NOT medical advice. I am NOT a doctor.
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
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once again for all the people who think once a day is too much, I ejaculate 3 times a day every day since I was like 13 or something. Doesnt affect my CCPS,, well, unless this is actually how I brought CCPS onto myself. I have tried slowing down/stopping (not for too long) I'd say it made my symptoms worse. However prolonged erections, sexual activity sometimes do make it worse. I'm trying to go down to 2 times a day though,, takes time to break habits.
OK, too lazy to change my signature, but my sympoms have improved significantly, some went away competely. Old sig below.
Age: 27 | Onset Age: 23 | Symptoms: differ from year to year, anal/buttocks pain(especially when moving around/walking), burning when pee every once in a while, muscle tightness after peeing, sometimes but rarely burning after,, but no urgency , i pee about 4-5 times a day. Stomach bloating, hard to pass gas, occasional sharp pain in right side lower abs.
Helped By: alcohol(maybe i am wrong about this one,, helps some symtoms, possibly makes other symptoms worse), water, Beer always cures urethra pains/burning.
| Worsened By: showers, defecation, massage?, stress, winter, early spring, Snapple diet iced tea?.
Makes no difference: sitting(try putting something under back legs of your chair to tilt it slightly), masturbation(2-3 times a day usually),(update, now down to 1-2 times a day), used to ride bike without a seat on for 4 hours some days 3-4 days a week- no problem, spicy foods - no problem, 3-4 cups of black tea a day- no problem