Why 100% cures are rare

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Why 100% cures are rare

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It is rare to see someone say they are 100% back to normal. Recovered patients often report "percentage cured" figures of 90-99.9%. Why not 100%?

Without boring everyone by quoting a lot of studies, let's just say that the process of having UCPPS does seem to make some permanent changes to the organs in the pelvis. While these changes are very small, they do seem to lead to increased reactivity to any noxious stimuli.

The actual physical changes are probably an increase in mast cells in places like the epithelium (lining) of the bladder and/or urethra and/or prostate. These mast cells are created by the overactivity of the nerve endings in these structures, because of cross-talk with perpetually activated nerves elsewhere (to put it very simply). We know that bladders of IC patients contain a higher number of mast cells than control patients (study, study etc). These mast cells make the linings of the organs and structures more reactive to irritants in the urine, for instance, or more reactive to further stimulus from the nerves.
There were significantly more nerve fibres within the sub-urothelium and detrusor muscle in chronic IC than there were in non-ulcerative IC. The bladder washings from all patients with IC contained mast cells and histamine, while only occasional mast cells and traces of histamine were found in washings from patients with non-ulcerative IC. There was a good correlation between the number of nerve fibres and number of mast cells as well as between the number of nerve fibres and the amount of histamine. (source)
I'm not sure I'm explaining this well, and I caution you all that I am a couple of steps ahead of fully accepted UCPPS theory here. But I am putting 2 and 2 together for you here, based on known science. I welcome comments, questions, corrections and refutations.
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Re: Why 100% cures are rare

Post by BrettP »

Call it a placebo effect, but I took some anti-histamines for a cold that I'm suffering through. And I haven't had to pee since I took them, I also have not had any bladder pain for the last three hours. I'm really backed up right now and suffering too. It's been a rough week. Overall I think I did see some positive improvement from these pills. Very, very strange. Could be a coincidence, but I feel decidedly better.

Also, this is the first time I have taken these meds in well over two years. I know better than to get to excited though.

Thanks for posting this study webslave.
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Central Sensitization

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Your view is well thought through. Jerome Weiss's writings on Central Sensitization follow the same train of thought (2001).

Dorothy Lewis made a similar assertion regarding the disruptive neurological effects of prolonged periods of high stress on the function of the frontal lobes of the cerebral cortex. (1998)

It is important that these physiological effects be acknowledged so that patients do not think that merely modifying behaviour in the short term will bring immediate improvement.

I respect that you are thinking beyond the safe parameters of established thought in this area.

Be well,

Robert Pagen
Age: 43 | Onset Age: 17 | Symptoms: previously: constant urgency, premature ejaculation, burning at tip of penis, pelvic ache current: semi annual flares. | Helped By: PT, yoga, stretch, keeping warm(long johns) boxer briefs, regular sleep routine | Worsened By: cystoscopy, antibiotics (fluoroquinolones) alcohol, coffee, stress, masturbation, cold