SEVERE ! Post Trigger Point Massage Pain

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Has anyone experienced this?
After my first PT appointment I was given "Homework" to do.
My first session felt so good my Wife & I got gung ho and last night I allowed my Wife to Massage the trigger points in my stomach vigorously.
Very vigorously.
While she was doing it - I was able to bear it - and I encouraged her to go harder and harder.
A few hours later I was in unbearable pain - it feels as though I was kicked in my stomach a dozen times. :boom:
I can barely walk or sit up.
It has been 24 hours and the pain and spasms are unrelenting.
Painkillers help a little bit.
But only a very little bit.
I can't sleep or do anything the pain is so bad.
It even hurts to breathe.
Is it possible that I allowed my Wife to damage my organs?
My urine and bowels are clear of blood.
But I feel injured - there are big black bruises all over my body - but the pain is internal more than anything else.
Could I have allowed my wife to burst my appendix or damage my liver or kidneys?
Anything like that?
Please give me your opinions.
This is horrendous.
What would you guys do?
Thanks...
Joseph
Age:46 | Onset Age:42 (first occurence Age 17). | Symptoms: A belt of pain that wraps around my waist radiating down my groin & into testicles. Also: Radiating from hips down thighs, Urinary urgency even after voiding, lightning bolts of pain that shoot through my rectum, penis & perineum, muscle spasms in my bottocks, fear of sexual arousal or erection. | Helped By: Hot Water Therapy, RSA Breathing, Pacing more than sitting, Avoiding Negative People, Painting & Writing, Painkillers. | Worsened By: Wearing Pants, Anger, Panic, Depression, Stress, Vigorous Sex, Prolonged Sitting, Constipation, Abrupt Movements, Lifting/Carrying anything more than a Gallon of Milk, Forgetting to do the above things I'm helped by. *Ejaculation is a Mixed bag: It definitely relieves pressure & pain in my Abdomen (as well as a good emotional release) - But, causes bigtime burning in my penis & perineum for 10-45 minutes after.
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I doubt she's done any real damage - though if you feel the pain level is such that you think she 'might' have burst your appendix then give your doctor a call. I doubt though that you'd be able to even type at the computer if any such damage had been done and by now you'd have a fever, etc.

I did some triggerpoint work to the side of my stomach - just above my hip bone last week - the pain was horrific during and after, and a bruise appeared a couple days later. First time that's happened for me in the 5-6 years I've been doing this. I had just been a bit too vigorous.

I fully expect things to calm down on the pain front for you over the next couple days. Take it easier next time!

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I actually do feel really hot.
Hot & cold sweats all day long.
Almost fainted earlier today.
I can only move from bed to couch and to bathroom...with a great deal of difficulty.
However - pain has gone down about 25%...right now.
The massage took place about 30 hours ago.
My Wife worked hard on me for a good solid 45 minutes.
I was thinking the hot and cold sweats could be detoxing.
I've been flushing with water like crazy and my urine is clear.
I've called my PT last night and today and have gotten no response yet.
I'll update as things move on.
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Age:46 | Onset Age:42 (first occurence Age 17). | Symptoms: A belt of pain that wraps around my waist radiating down my groin & into testicles. Also: Radiating from hips down thighs, Urinary urgency even after voiding, lightning bolts of pain that shoot through my rectum, penis & perineum, muscle spasms in my bottocks, fear of sexual arousal or erection. | Helped By: Hot Water Therapy, RSA Breathing, Pacing more than sitting, Avoiding Negative People, Painting & Writing, Painkillers. | Worsened By: Wearing Pants, Anger, Panic, Depression, Stress, Vigorous Sex, Prolonged Sitting, Constipation, Abrupt Movements, Lifting/Carrying anything more than a Gallon of Milk, Forgetting to do the above things I'm helped by. *Ejaculation is a Mixed bag: It definitely relieves pressure & pain in my Abdomen (as well as a good emotional release) - But, causes bigtime burning in my penis & perineum for 10-45 minutes after.
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I would go to an emergency room asap. You could have a ruptured internal organ.
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webslave wrote:I would go to an emergency room asap. You could have a ruptured internal organ.
Yep - why take the risk not going if you're getting fevers and almost fainting.
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I ended up phoning my Doctor and he said it was highly improbable that my Wife could have done any real damage to my internal organs with her hands - however he did say they were probably very bruised.
He advised me to take some painkillers and try to relax - they will probably be very sore for several days if not a coupla' weeks.
He said if my internal organs were damaged I'd have a high fever and be much sicker than I sounded.
I then caled the Myo Pain Center and they told me to do certain gentle versions of exercises from the Trigger Point Workbook.
Also to take a 10 minute hot shower every hour - for 8 hours.
Amazingly - I felt 75% better after my second shower.
She said that in her 30 years of TPT she had never heard of human hands damaging an organ - she said they are very resilient and although they bruise easily - are very difficult to damage with massage unless a tool had been used - she said the near fainting spell was definitely from the pain and anxiety.
Both my Dr. and the Trigger Point therapist said I should refrain from doing anymore home treatments until my Wife and I were both better trained by my PT.
So it has been nearly 56 hours since the treatment and I'd say 80% of my pain is gone.
The TPT pointed out several passages rom the TPWorkbook that mention how Trigger Points can cause false appendicitices and such.
I'm still lying in bed and resting everything - I just wanted to catch up with everyone.
thanks...
Joseph
Age:46 | Onset Age:42 (first occurence Age 17). | Symptoms: A belt of pain that wraps around my waist radiating down my groin & into testicles. Also: Radiating from hips down thighs, Urinary urgency even after voiding, lightning bolts of pain that shoot through my rectum, penis & perineum, muscle spasms in my bottocks, fear of sexual arousal or erection. | Helped By: Hot Water Therapy, RSA Breathing, Pacing more than sitting, Avoiding Negative People, Painting & Writing, Painkillers. | Worsened By: Wearing Pants, Anger, Panic, Depression, Stress, Vigorous Sex, Prolonged Sitting, Constipation, Abrupt Movements, Lifting/Carrying anything more than a Gallon of Milk, Forgetting to do the above things I'm helped by. *Ejaculation is a Mixed bag: It definitely relieves pressure & pain in my Abdomen (as well as a good emotional release) - But, causes bigtime burning in my penis & perineum for 10-45 minutes after.
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That's a relief. Massage definitely can cause injury:
http://www.ramblemuse.com/articles/medl ... injury.pdf

However, you'd be very ill by now if you'd seriously hurt yourself, so no need to worry.
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JoVo, one thing I recall hearing on a TP demonstration video on youtube was that you shouldnt press directly down in the ab region for exactly this reason, but to press diagonally and sideways into the abs. Glad you havent caused any serious injury though!
Age: 33 | Onset Age: 32 Initial Symptoms: Frequent urination Current Symptoms: The odd feeling of frequency but not much else Helped By: Not thinking about it, hot bath, red wine, light exercise, Bowen technique seems to help, getting on with my life Worsened By: catastrophic thinking, worrying things will get worse, feeling depressed, reading websites too often! Work! Sitting in work all day isn't good!! Current Progress : Since 1st Sept 08, no pain!!! :)
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Hi Joseph,

I'm very glad to hear that you're okay. While I doubted that your wife had caused any fatal harm (she'd practically have to be jumping on you), it was obvious that you were in a lot of pain. It sounds like you have a doctor and a therapist who are both very available to address these concerns as they arise, and that's a great thing!

Take it easy for a bit, as you've been instructed, and I'm sure you'll have recovered before you know it. :smile:
I am not a physician. This is not medical advice. Consult your doctor!

Age: 26 Onset Age: 17 Symptoms: Shooting, nerve-like pains throughout the penis, which abruptly hit and leave. Testicular pain, perineum pain, burning/irritative urination, extended pain after ejaculation. Occasionally, some allodynia or ache in the coccyx/sacrum/thigh/buttocks/legs. Diagnosis: Pelvic floor dysfunction, degenerated lumbar disk, and mildly herniated lumbar disk. Helped By: Physical therapy, pain management doctor, hot baths, therapy pool, stretching regimen, breathing exercises, relaxation, distraction. Worsened By: Arousal/ejaculation (worst), constipation, panicking/obsessing, other triggers depend upon current symptoms. Tests/Prior Treatments: Too many antibiotics to count, multiple urine tests (all normal), testicular ultrasound (normal), bladder and renal ultrasound (normal), lumbar and pelvic MRI with and w/o contrast (revealed disk problems), Elavil 25mg (caused retention), Flomax 0.4mg.
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I finally got to speak with my actual Trigger Point therapist and she confirmed that there was nothing but bruising wrong with me.
She said the type of pressure needed to actually cause injury would not be something I would be able to lie there and tolerate for 5 minutes - muchless close to an hour.
She also named the muscle - that crosses over the appendix - that was causing my pain.
Phew - what a relief.
Thanks for being there for me guys - it was important to have someone to screen all of this through.
Joseph
Age:46 | Onset Age:42 (first occurence Age 17). | Symptoms: A belt of pain that wraps around my waist radiating down my groin & into testicles. Also: Radiating from hips down thighs, Urinary urgency even after voiding, lightning bolts of pain that shoot through my rectum, penis & perineum, muscle spasms in my bottocks, fear of sexual arousal or erection. | Helped By: Hot Water Therapy, RSA Breathing, Pacing more than sitting, Avoiding Negative People, Painting & Writing, Painkillers. | Worsened By: Wearing Pants, Anger, Panic, Depression, Stress, Vigorous Sex, Prolonged Sitting, Constipation, Abrupt Movements, Lifting/Carrying anything more than a Gallon of Milk, Forgetting to do the above things I'm helped by. *Ejaculation is a Mixed bag: It definitely relieves pressure & pain in my Abdomen (as well as a good emotional release) - But, causes bigtime burning in my penis & perineum for 10-45 minutes after.
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