How to break free

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How to break free

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I think it is safe to say that most of the people on this forum are quite anxious people and spend a fair amount of time thinking about and worrying about their pain. The fact is that most people are so connected to their thoughts that they actually believe that their thoughts are who they are. The more you think about your pain and symptoms, the more you have become your disease. This process of thought or mental noise, referred to as the ego, is basically a false created self based on years and years of conditioning. The KEY is to separate yourself from the ego and in a way, free yourself from all the unnecessary thinking that goes on in you mind. There are several ways to do this, but the main idea is to be present in the NOW. Pay attention to how you breath. When you get up in the morning and are in the shower, feel the warm water running over you body instead of thinking about what you need to do when you get to the office. Be as much in the present moment as possible, because the present moment is really all there is.

If you have read the books by Eckhart Tolle, like The Power of Now and A New Earth, you know exactly what I am talking about. Tolle and Oprah Winfrey are now even having live webcasts every Monday where they discuss the chapters in A New Earth and take incoming skype calls from viewers from all corners of the globe. All the webcasts are available on the Oprah website so you can watch them or download them from there. Being in Norway, I can`t watch it live anyway as it would be in the middle of the night.

Tolle describes the separation from your ego as an Awakening. He is not trying to get you to believe anything or be some sort of guru, just showing you how to make your life so much better by living in the present, thus experiencing all the bliss and energy.

I have found all of this to be extremely valuable and he has certainly changed the lives of millions out there. For those of you who are not familiar with this, I strongly recommend you look into it.

Cheers from Norway :-D
Age: 31 Previous symptoms: penile pain, pain in the rectum, occasional shooting pain in the perineum. Helped by: relaxing / meditation, internal massage, abdominal massage, stretching Makes worse: stress, being out of comfort zone. Current symptoms: Occasional mild soarness. www.kroniskprostatitt.com 95 % better
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Very true, and Dr Wise and I also think along these lines.

Personally, I recommend the podcasts of Alan Watts lectures (you can torrent them).
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Re: How to break free

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I cannot agree more with you. I feel that happening, and am trying to "break free", to not "become" my illness. Although it is unpleasant, it is very important to live in and experience the now. I feel like a completely different person since whatever this is has started. I think that is good advice. Maybe that's also why relaxation is so key, as it forces you to be in the now, experience the sensations going on "now". And concentrate on that as opposed to worrying and thinking too far in advance, which will in turn cause anxiety due to the fact of the unknown. At least that's what I think.
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Very insightful. I think I can credit most of my improvement over the last couple of months to relaxation, not worrying about CPPS, living life as normal and reading the comments on this forum.

I am, however, having a little difficulty with the concept of Oprah "separating from her ego". Seems it would be much more likely for all of us to miraculously get better tomorrow than for that to happen.
Age: 51 / Onset Age: 48 / Current Symptoms: Occasional burning during urination, frequency approx 2 times per night, sore testicles, sore perineum, difficulty sitting, pain for approx 2 days after ejaculation / Symptoms Increase: After lengthy sitting, ejaculation / Symptoms Decrease: After warm bath (particularly after ejaculation), exercise, rest / Historic Meds: Flomax, Cipro, Zithromax, Gatifloxacin, Minocycline Hydrochloride, Sulfamethoxazol, Roxithromycine, TMP/SMZ, Doxycycline Hyclate, Noroxin, Valium (Diazapam), Finasteride, Elavil (Amitriptyline), Prosta-Q, Q-Urol and Saw Palmetto / Current Meds: Aleve (naproxen) or Advil as needed
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Re: How to break free

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I am, however, having a little difficulty with the concept of Oprah "separating from her ego". Seems it would be much more likely for all of us to miraculously get better tomorrow than for that to happen.
I actually got up at night to post after having tried this separating from the ego thing for hours to get to sleep in pain. Well, I have been always trying to do some relaxation, read scriptures take yoga vacations etc even before this started. The relaxation in SP revealed how naive I had been in terms of relaxation. Then again, I always thought I was pretty relaxed even though I guess I was not. All I can say about the 'separation from ego' is that had I practised this for several years (if not decades ) and had been a master at it, maybe I could have utilised it. I do practise being in the now and it does reduce unnecessary worrying, and sometimes diminishes the pain but the fact is the pain still remains. Same with focusing and accepting the pain.
I have been in the now so much that my psychologist is asking me to look a little into the future. According to him, I've got no dreams. Just living in the now :). But if dreams start than worry also comes with it. So this gets abstract and debatable pretty quickly.
Age:36 | Onset Age: 31 (chronic incomplete evacuation since 29) | Symptoms: Anal fissure (3); Pain in the rectum. Left Testicular pain started in August 2007. Professional PT (5 sessions) in June 2007. Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol in July 2007. Back to professional PT from Dec 17 2007 onwards twice a week; Dry needling once a week since March 06 2008. | Helped By: Sleeping; lying down; Thermotex infrared heating pad | Worsened By: Any activity; Medications Lyrica 75 mg* 2, Elavil 10mg Supplements; Cod liver oil ; Natural calm started 02/15; Vitamin B12 started 02/16;Vitamin D 1000U 03//08;Glucosamine+hyaluronic acid+MSM 04/08 Bed ridden since August 2007; Working from bed since Dec 2007 ;Botox done 100 units 04/03/08;RAST for wheat/rye/oats/milk -ve. Dairy free since 04/20/08. Gluten free since 04/25/08;Tried without success so far: Baclofen, PEMF machines, pranic healing reiki ;
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Not thinking about it has been a big help for me. The past month now I have been mostly totally pain and symptom free, and the odd occasion I do get a bit of pain, I ignore it, think "it will go away soon" and just carry on with my day. I am feeling like a new person lately, and I have said it before and will say it again, seeing a PT was the best thing I ever did to help me realise I can beat this thing, and up to now, I am doing it.
Age: 33 | Onset Age: 32 Initial Symptoms: Frequent urination Current Symptoms: The odd feeling of frequency but not much else Helped By: Not thinking about it, hot bath, red wine, light exercise, Bowen technique seems to help, getting on with my life Worsened By: catastrophic thinking, worrying things will get worse, feeling depressed, reading websites too often! Work! Sitting in work all day isn't good!! Current Progress : Since 1st Sept 08, no pain!!! :)
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I agree but wish to add my two cents. I don't think separation from the ego is the phrase that is helpful, more it's non-attachment to the outcome and the outcome everyone here wants is symptom relief, primarily from pain. I am certainly drawn to posts of men who are "successful" but I look for the sentence that says, "I am pain-free" to peak my interest. I have a good pelvic PT and she insisted I attend a Mindfulness Meditation 7-session workshop. I just completed it and it was great, right in keeping with HITP book. It's based upon Jon Kabat-Zinn's work at the University of Mass. Medical Center's stress reduction classes and was designed for people with chronic illness, pain, anxiety, etc. It was taught by 2 skilled clinicians at one of our local hospital's Wellness Center and is taught by over 200 hospitals in the U.S. You can read "Full Catastrophe Living" by Kabat-Zinn or listen to his CD's (they're including in the cost of the workshop) but the workshop experience is first-rate.

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It's present-centered and I really never liked sitting meditation (Can you imagine why?) but the easy Yoga lying on a mat, the walking meditation and the eating meditation really resonated with me. I'm currently trying acupuncture which is helping (time and PT brought average pain down from a 7 to a 3-4) and my doctor recommended Tolle and the non-attachment. I realize how silly it is to fear something that happens daily (visit from Mr. Pain) and I have been less fearful about the pain but as for now, the change in attitude has not affected the pain. What I learned from a lot of journaling, obsessive recording of pain and misery is that pain causes dysphoria, without significant pain I really don't have much dysphoria. I cannot control the pain of sitting but I can modulate the dysphoria. Am working on meditating more and trying the breathing techniques in HITP but doubt I can be very successful without a trip firsthand to California.
In the MM workshop, they showed an old video of Kabat-Zinn working with a fellow with 3 major back injuries and chronic pain. He demonstrated the "dance" the man has with pain, put their hands behind each other's neck and told him, "here I am, I'm not leaving, no matter what you want. Now let's learn how we can be together without so much misery." That makes sense. I have to frequently bring myself back to the present and work on my attitude that says Pain = Misery, No Pain = Happiness and that ain't easy. Thanks.
Age: | Onset Age: 53 | Symptoms: rectal, gluteal, hip pain | Helped By: hot baths, quercetin, pain meds, sleep | Worsened By: prolonged sitting, anxiety, catastrophic thinking
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I HIGHLY recommend everyone listen to this...go to the Second Chapter audio/video at this link, and listen to Tolle in the second section of Chapter 2. (there are 5 sections).

He talks to a lady that has chronic pain, we can learn from this (I did)

http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcas ... tchnow.jsp
Age: 33 | Onset Age: 23 | Symptoms: Rectal spasm, tightness. Levator Ani Syndrome. | Helped By: TMS Approach, Exercise, warm baths, less stress, not thinking about it...and most of all, not fearing it! | Worsened By: Lots of sitting, lots of stress, lots of worrying.