Hey all,
take a look at this study on the amino acid L-Arginine. Many of you may recall I was a bodybuilder in a previous life before this condition began. I always try to tap from various knowledge sources in order to better combat this ailment.
There is a bodybuilding supplement known at NO2 or NO3, or other various names. Its a nutshell it will make you more vascular and improve your workload due to shuttling more oxygen, and thus improves blood flow.
I was doing more research on trigger points, and thinking how I can aid in speeding this recovery now that I am treating all trigger points.
Due to the fact I'm not really bodybuilding at this time I have no need to spend all that money on that supplement, but I know enough about it to know the main ingredient is L-arginine.
Please take a look at this study on L-arginine and let me know what you think. I am debating to order some pharmaceutical grade L-arginine and trying to supplement while recovering.
I am also going to do some reseach into Vitamin C and L-glutamine. I will report back, but both are strong anti-oxidants and used in recovery for any strength or high performance athlete to help muscle recovery.
I see no reason why these might not be beneficial while trying to improve blood flow.
As far as my unscientific mind is concerned, and from what I have read about Trps, they cause the muscle to stay in a state of contraction, overproducing lactic acid and causing inflammation. My intuiton says that treating these two components at the cellular level makes sense.
I will report back.
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdr ... 0024.shtml
Regards,
SS
PS: Dont you find it interesting that L-arginine has been used positively to treat those with IC?
Glutamine studies:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdr ... 0125.shtml
http://content.nhiondemand.com/psv/mono ... =ds&mtyp=4
I believe this may also be beneficial. Its interesting where it mentions that those with overtraining syndrom may benefit by cell reproduction, and due to our contracted state of the muscles that are affected with Trps, they have an impaired ability to reproduce cells properly, or so I've read and researched. I think this may prove beneficial as well.
Supplemental L-Arginine
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scoobysnacks
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Supplemental L-Arginine
Age:29 | Onset Age: 25.5 | Symptoms: Initially burning in prostate/perineum, burning in urethra, uncontrollable muscle contraction before urinating, dual ache in groin, left testicle pain, feeling of golf ball in rectum, soarness in rectum, and muscle spasms, now mainly very mild urinary tract inflammation, burning mildly after ejaculation, some days after physical activity involuntary mild muscle contraction before urinating | Helped By: .5 mg of Ativan, Aleve (naproxen), quercetin, alcohol in large quantities (vodka and soda), stretching, walking, internal massage the perineum area and levators. | Worsened By: sitting, weightraining, jogging, coffee, caffeine in general, alcohol bothered me at first, overdoing sex
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benzo
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Interesting, I used to take this in tonic form. Tasted like cough sirop but the main ingredient was L-arginine.
You can get it without prescription, in this form it's not marketed as a fitness supplement although I know a lot of bodybuilding supplements contain L-arginine.
You can get it without prescription, in this form it's not marketed as a fitness supplement although I know a lot of bodybuilding supplements contain L-arginine.
Age: 38 | Onset Age: 27 | Symptoms: scrotal pain, perineal pain, pubic pain, lower abdominal pain, sometimes urgency, | Helped By: sometimes excercising | Worsened By: found no real triggers
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I think this is what I've settled on.
Quercetin, of course; 500 mg to 1gram/ day (probably stop any accredited quercetin product for a bit as its pricey, and use Quercetin supplement)
B vitamin complex: follow bottle recs
Vit C (acid free version): 1 grm/day
L-arginine: 5/grams/day
L-glutamine: 10 grms/day
fish oil or flax oil: 2 tbs per day
maybe Co-enzyme Q10 as it improves cardiovascular and is a great anti-oxidant along with Vit C.
My goal is to help stimulate further blood flow and help speed the regeneration of healthy tissue as I continue to do battle with the Trps plaguing my body.
I'll let you all know in a month on this regimen, will go to wild oats tonight to purchase this arsenal.
Regards,
SS
Quercetin, of course; 500 mg to 1gram/ day (probably stop any accredited quercetin product for a bit as its pricey, and use Quercetin supplement)
B vitamin complex: follow bottle recs
Vit C (acid free version): 1 grm/day
L-arginine: 5/grams/day
L-glutamine: 10 grms/day
fish oil or flax oil: 2 tbs per day
maybe Co-enzyme Q10 as it improves cardiovascular and is a great anti-oxidant along with Vit C.
My goal is to help stimulate further blood flow and help speed the regeneration of healthy tissue as I continue to do battle with the Trps plaguing my body.
I'll let you all know in a month on this regimen, will go to wild oats tonight to purchase this arsenal.
Regards,
SS
Age:29 | Onset Age: 25.5 | Symptoms: Initially burning in prostate/perineum, burning in urethra, uncontrollable muscle contraction before urinating, dual ache in groin, left testicle pain, feeling of golf ball in rectum, soarness in rectum, and muscle spasms, now mainly very mild urinary tract inflammation, burning mildly after ejaculation, some days after physical activity involuntary mild muscle contraction before urinating | Helped By: .5 mg of Ativan, Aleve (naproxen), quercetin, alcohol in large quantities (vodka and soda), stretching, walking, internal massage the perineum area and levators. | Worsened By: sitting, weightraining, jogging, coffee, caffeine in general, alcohol bothered me at first, overdoing sex
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scotsman
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I've taken L-glutamine in the past to deal with food intolerances - helps with leaky gut syndrome (see here).
Richard.
Richard.
Not medical advice: Read my progress to date : Read about my W-A clinic visit
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
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Looks very promising SS. I think I would like to jump on this one as well 
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I encourage anxiety prone UCPPS people to consider L-Theanine
Age, 44 onset age 37 Feb 2006 Freq. need to urinate. Sensation of having to urinate soon after going. Perineum discomfort/burning/tightness, pubic area discomfort @ times,poor urine stream, post urine dripping/spray. All symptoms have improved with my protocol. At the worst I give it a 1 to 2 on irritation and discomfort and frequency. Helps: Elavil 5mg for anxiety and mast cell protection, (will only take it as needed) self internal PT as needed, stretching, walking, stairmaster cardio workout and light weights, reducing stress, moment to moment relaxation, deep breathing relaxation and using a Theracane. Makes worse: sitting for long periods, stress, over focusing on it. Currently 95%-98% recovered. Stay positive, relaxed and control your anxiety.
I encourage anxiety prone UCPPS people to consider L-Theanine
Age, 44 onset age 37 Feb 2006 Freq. need to urinate. Sensation of having to urinate soon after going. Perineum discomfort/burning/tightness, pubic area discomfort @ times,poor urine stream, post urine dripping/spray. All symptoms have improved with my protocol. At the worst I give it a 1 to 2 on irritation and discomfort and frequency. Helps: Elavil 5mg for anxiety and mast cell protection, (will only take it as needed) self internal PT as needed, stretching, walking, stairmaster cardio workout and light weights, reducing stress, moment to moment relaxation, deep breathing relaxation and using a Theracane. Makes worse: sitting for long periods, stress, over focusing on it. Currently 95%-98% recovered. Stay positive, relaxed and control your anxiety.
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Do any of you understand the need for balancing amino acids? It seems to me that I've read that you are limited to using only the amount of the amino acid that you get the least of. Is this concept only for using amino acids to create protein?
I am not a doctor too!
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
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You are sort of in the ballpark, but not quite right.Clay wrote:Do any of you understand the need for balancing amino acids? It seems to me that I've read that you are limited to using only the amount of the amino acid that you get the least of. Is this concept only for using amino acids to create protein?
Amino acids are the building blocks for building muscle. Lets say there are only three amino acids needed to build muscle. Lets call them C, A, T.
If you have 5 Cs and 5 As, but only 3 Ts, you can spell CAT three times, but the other two aminos will not be utilized to build muscle [new tissue].
However, I am not using these to build new muscle, I would like to use these for recovery, oxygen shuttling more red blood cells to the irritated damaged areas, and get rid of free radicals due to antioxidant properties.
And yes, to aid in the creation of new cells as much as possible.
Hope that helped some.
Regards,
Ss
Age:29 | Onset Age: 25.5 | Symptoms: Initially burning in prostate/perineum, burning in urethra, uncontrollable muscle contraction before urinating, dual ache in groin, left testicle pain, feeling of golf ball in rectum, soarness in rectum, and muscle spasms, now mainly very mild urinary tract inflammation, burning mildly after ejaculation, some days after physical activity involuntary mild muscle contraction before urinating | Helped By: .5 mg of Ativan, Aleve (naproxen), quercetin, alcohol in large quantities (vodka and soda), stretching, walking, internal massage the perineum area and levators. | Worsened By: sitting, weightraining, jogging, coffee, caffeine in general, alcohol bothered me at first, overdoing sex
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Thank you Scoobysnacks, that lays it out nicely.
I am not a doctor too!
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
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scooby: I'm very interested in this one. Years ago, at about the time I was first afflicted with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (1999), I picked up a book called 'The Arginine Solution'. Knowing a lot less then than I know now, I thought it was interesting, but not the quick cure I was looking for. L'arginine does look promising given its mode of action and its effect on blood flow. Benzo mentions that it is available non-prescription, but I suppose that is in the US. I'm in Canada, and I'll wait for your report, but where do you get it?
Age: 71; age at onset: 65; symptoms: initially rectal spasms; currently anal pain, pereneal pain, buttock pain; all pain on the right side; early diagnosis: chronic non bacterial prostatitis; treatments 4 long courses of antibiotics, accupuncture, naturopathy; current treatments: gabapentin, terasozin, Celeza, PT.