For those here who have made the trek, or those that just read AHIP and found success with the Paradoxical Relaxation...What made it click for you? I'm only back a little over a week, and I am struggling with it. The first tape deals with relaxation of the face and shoulders, and when I lay in bed, those aren't tensed. They just aren't. Any hints from those with a little more experience in the skill?
Thanks.
Back from Stanford, and I wonder...
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texas2006
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Back from Stanford, and I wonder...
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kpbos
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They may not be tensed but I think the point is just to start developing the skill of feeling any sensations at deeper and deeper levels. And then as you progress you can apply it to the pelvis. I still struggle with the tapes, resting with the tension can be really difficult especially on bad days.
Age:33 | Onset Age: 21 | Symptoms: Penile/rectal/testicular pain, urgency/frequency, constipation | Helped By: Relaxation, PT, eating healthy, just started some acupuncture-seems to be helping | Worsened By: stress/anxiety, poor diet
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alprost
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A key point is that you may or may not feel tension in all parts of your body. Paying attention to the sensations in different parts of your body is the 'object of meditation', just as some people use a mantra or music etc. Try to avoid expecting relaxation, and just feel the sensations and progress through the tapes as instructed. By doing this, you switch your mind from analytical thoughts to feeling, sensing and accepting. This promotes a relaxing, healing environment in your body which is reflected by changes in stress hormone levels and brain wave activity.
If your experience relaxation in any part of your body, great. If not, don't worry about it, just stick with feeling the sensations.
If your experience relaxation in any part of your body, great. If not, don't worry about it, just stick with feeling the sensations.
This is not Medical advice - Consult your Doctor!
Age:39. Age at onset:31. Symptoms prior to treatment: Golf ball in rectum, severe urinary frequency (2-3x/hr; 5-10x/night); weak stream; painful ejaculation; coccygeal pain; tip of penis pain; general pelvic pain on left; testicular pain; supra-pubic pain. Current | Symptoms: Urinary frequency 1x every 2-3 hrs and 1-2 x a night; mild pelvic pain on left hand side (all symptoms still improving!)
Helped by: Trigger point release; avoiding exercise; pelvic floor relaxation; Neurontin decreased bladder sensitivity somewhat. Worsened by: Exercise; frequent ejaculation; ibuprofen irritates bladder. Made no difference: Diet; biofeedback; quercetin; Steroid anti-inflammatories; Elavil.
****UPDATE*** I am now able to sit again at work all day, and can perform moderate aerobic exersise again for the first time in 8 years!!!
Please read:
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=808&p=3954
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=239&p=1158
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=248&p=1214
Age:39. Age at onset:31. Symptoms prior to treatment: Golf ball in rectum, severe urinary frequency (2-3x/hr; 5-10x/night); weak stream; painful ejaculation; coccygeal pain; tip of penis pain; general pelvic pain on left; testicular pain; supra-pubic pain. Current | Symptoms: Urinary frequency 1x every 2-3 hrs and 1-2 x a night; mild pelvic pain on left hand side (all symptoms still improving!)
Helped by: Trigger point release; avoiding exercise; pelvic floor relaxation; Neurontin decreased bladder sensitivity somewhat. Worsened by: Exercise; frequent ejaculation; ibuprofen irritates bladder. Made no difference: Diet; biofeedback; quercetin; Steroid anti-inflammatories; Elavil.
****UPDATE*** I am now able to sit again at work all day, and can perform moderate aerobic exersise again for the first time in 8 years!!!
Please read:
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=808&p=3954
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=239&p=1158
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=248&p=1214
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LightningTree
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I do a similar relaxation protocol but not with the Stanford tapes (never went) The total body relaxation technique has a few purposes:
1) It builds up body memory of what relaxation feels like
2) It builds up a repeated physical action so that relaxation becomes an automatic response. Over time, relaxation occurs more quickly.
3) Relaxation of some parts of the body are easier when you can sense the tension, and when other parts of the body are relaxed. Going through the whole body is like a Preflight Checklist to get to the parts that are critical.
Now the tape I use now was made for me by a local psychologist/yoga instructor and it goes through the whole body in a 30 minute session. As I apply it, I am slowing increasing the speed over time to get it down to about 10 minutes or so. The goal is to get total relaxation to be a rapid body habit.
In my experience, the relaxation helps more after there is less muscle and nerve irritation, but it is important to start practising right away, sot hat when the stretching has helped calm things down some, the meditation kicks in in effectiveness. Took me a year to go from agonizing pain to liveable daily pain, and another 1.5 years to go from daily pain to only mild pain when I sit. I'm now working on that last bit. But that first year, of going from agony to liveable pain was a major breakthrough.
*when the nerves had calmed down some
*and when I had learned to feel the tension in the pelvis in the first place
Personally, I think there are metabolic factors involved, but that general improvement through the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol is the way to go.
You are just beginning on a long road. The key is to keep it up.
1) It builds up body memory of what relaxation feels like
2) It builds up a repeated physical action so that relaxation becomes an automatic response. Over time, relaxation occurs more quickly.
3) Relaxation of some parts of the body are easier when you can sense the tension, and when other parts of the body are relaxed. Going through the whole body is like a Preflight Checklist to get to the parts that are critical.
Now the tape I use now was made for me by a local psychologist/yoga instructor and it goes through the whole body in a 30 minute session. As I apply it, I am slowing increasing the speed over time to get it down to about 10 minutes or so. The goal is to get total relaxation to be a rapid body habit.
In my experience, the relaxation helps more after there is less muscle and nerve irritation, but it is important to start practising right away, sot hat when the stretching has helped calm things down some, the meditation kicks in in effectiveness. Took me a year to go from agonizing pain to liveable daily pain, and another 1.5 years to go from daily pain to only mild pain when I sit. I'm now working on that last bit. But that first year, of going from agony to liveable pain was a major breakthrough.
*when the nerves had calmed down some
*and when I had learned to feel the tension in the pelvis in the first place
Personally, I think there are metabolic factors involved, but that general improvement through the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol is the way to go.
You are just beginning on a long road. The key is to keep it up.
This is not medical advice, and I am NOT a doctor of medicine or a related field.
* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
