I have had this for a while right now, but never thought about it seriously before. If I walk or stand for long time I have a discomfort ( and dull pain sometimes) in my scrotum.
I also have varicocele and if I stand for really long long time I do have pain in my left testicle.
Recently I noticed that it is rather serious, cause on average, a 1 hour standing will give me this dull pain in the scrotum, rather closer to the anus... and when I sit I directly feel better.
So I am wondering whether I should think about vein dilation in the pelvic floor as one possible ( or contributing ) cause for all my symptoms.
Any ideas ?
Pain in the scrotum when standing
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CppsDad
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Standing for long periods causes lots of different pains for me. I have to walk around often - staying in one place is the worst. I notice that when I stand close together, if my legs are together, it puts pressure on the same spots that happen if I sleep in my side without a pillow between my legs. I don't know much about veins and those types of conditions, but definitely investigate all angles before having surgery. I'm interested on what others have to say about vein dilation.
Michael
Michael
This is NOT medical advice. I am NOT a doctor.
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
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winding_road
for me it is less about the position I stand in. Even walking for long time would do the same. ANd the kind of pain is similar to the one from varicocele ( which is less sever and more of a discomfort) and they can be easily be distinguished.
Now the question is whether vein dilation could be responsible for CPPS-like symptoms, or my other less common symptoms, like the flaccid corpus spongiosum whatever hard and full the corpora cavernosa gets..
Now the question is whether vein dilation could be responsible for CPPS-like symptoms, or my other less common symptoms, like the flaccid corpus spongiosum whatever hard and full the corpora cavernosa gets..
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Viking
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I find it that when standing still, I automatically have a stronger tendancy to clench my pelvic muscles. Walking or sitting, I think it is easier to relax those muscles.
Age: 31 Previous symptoms: penile pain, pain in the rectum, occasional shooting pain in the perineum. Helped by: relaxing / meditation, internal massage, abdominal massage, stretching Makes worse: stress, being out of comfort zone. Current symptoms: Occasional mild soarness. www.kroniskprostatitt.com 95 % better
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prisoner
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I too notice that standing is a problem. I don't get it. Some days I get up in the morning feeling perfectly fine, then upon standing it feels like something in my perineum is being pinched. I can go run for miles with no issues, but then later just standing causes a problem. ??CppsDad wrote:Standing for long periods causes lots of different pains for me. I have to walk around often - staying in one place is the worst. I notice that when I stand close together, if my legs are together, it puts pressure on the same spots that happen...
Michael
Age: 31 | Onset Age: 28
Symptoms: Pain in perineum, tight sphincter muscles, referred pain at tip of penis.
Helped By: sleep, hot baths, relaxation, stretching protocol.
Worsened By: Sitting and stress. No connection with food, alcohol or caffeine.
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LightningTree
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Winding Road:
As far as vein dilation goes, yeah , that is a possible problem. Some doctors theorize that pelvic congestion (veins pooling blood) is a source of chronic pelvic pain. Fortunately, blood pooling in veins shows up very well in certain scan types. If you suspect that, you should be able to go to your doctor and suggest that you think you have pelvic congestion, and that they need to scan for blood pooling in potentially deep veins.
Prisoner:
That happened to me for a while. I found that, in particular, walking around in the grocery store caused me pain. Sometimes I still get irritated while walking around buying food.
Its a good sign that you wake up some mornings feeling totally fine.
The Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol theory says your pain is largely a derivative of chronic pelvic tension. While you are sleeping, your body is not tensed most of the time. When you wake up, you are rested.
Theoretically, as soon as you get up, you are habitually pulling in your pelvis.
Most of us here who have learned to recognize that we do this required months of self-observation, and sometimes even biofeedback, to reinforce with ourselves that we do this This is because the behavior is very habitual and the tense state feels natural to us. The untensed state feels almost erotic and unnatural, and is hard to maintain for more than a few seconds. Over time, with practice, one can maintain a less tense state. This is especially important from 8 am until 3 or 4 pm.
It takes a lot of work to relax the muscles when they want to tense. Even after practicing for over a year, I find it usually takes me more than 15 minutes. And sometimes I utterly fail and have to walk around to get them to release.
In fact, because of watching the people suffering in New Orleans for the last few days, I have been fighting pelvic clenching like a pitched battle. Sitting here in my office now, I am having to remind myself to stop clenching.... There... I just made my muscles relax a little. How long was I sitting here with them clenched? I donno. At least 30 to 40 minutes since I last checked. Its a constant battle.
A 1.5 years ago, I didn't even know there were muscles down there, let alone that I was clenching them.
If I can offer any advice, may I recommend that you start doing moment-to-moment relaxation, to get in touch with your pelvic tension? You can read about that on this site.
Anywho, yeah, I agree that the standing pain sometimes and not others is frustrating. I've found over time that it was often related to exposure to lots of strangers, which makes me tense. Cause may vary, ofcourse, and if you don't have a tension disorder you won't notice a correlation. Incidentally, during the first 9 months, I was in pain constantly, so I didn't notice any correlation. Only after I learned to relax my muscles for long enough to get relief did I start to notice when I was habitually tensing.
As far as vein dilation goes, yeah , that is a possible problem. Some doctors theorize that pelvic congestion (veins pooling blood) is a source of chronic pelvic pain. Fortunately, blood pooling in veins shows up very well in certain scan types. If you suspect that, you should be able to go to your doctor and suggest that you think you have pelvic congestion, and that they need to scan for blood pooling in potentially deep veins.
Prisoner:
That happened to me for a while. I found that, in particular, walking around in the grocery store caused me pain. Sometimes I still get irritated while walking around buying food.
Its a good sign that you wake up some mornings feeling totally fine.
The Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol theory says your pain is largely a derivative of chronic pelvic tension. While you are sleeping, your body is not tensed most of the time. When you wake up, you are rested.
Theoretically, as soon as you get up, you are habitually pulling in your pelvis.
Most of us here who have learned to recognize that we do this required months of self-observation, and sometimes even biofeedback, to reinforce with ourselves that we do this This is because the behavior is very habitual and the tense state feels natural to us. The untensed state feels almost erotic and unnatural, and is hard to maintain for more than a few seconds. Over time, with practice, one can maintain a less tense state. This is especially important from 8 am until 3 or 4 pm.
It takes a lot of work to relax the muscles when they want to tense. Even after practicing for over a year, I find it usually takes me more than 15 minutes. And sometimes I utterly fail and have to walk around to get them to release.
In fact, because of watching the people suffering in New Orleans for the last few days, I have been fighting pelvic clenching like a pitched battle. Sitting here in my office now, I am having to remind myself to stop clenching.... There... I just made my muscles relax a little. How long was I sitting here with them clenched? I donno. At least 30 to 40 minutes since I last checked. Its a constant battle.
A 1.5 years ago, I didn't even know there were muscles down there, let alone that I was clenching them.
If I can offer any advice, may I recommend that you start doing moment-to-moment relaxation, to get in touch with your pelvic tension? You can read about that on this site.
Anywho, yeah, I agree that the standing pain sometimes and not others is frustrating. I've found over time that it was often related to exposure to lots of strangers, which makes me tense. Cause may vary, ofcourse, and if you don't have a tension disorder you won't notice a correlation. Incidentally, during the first 9 months, I was in pain constantly, so I didn't notice any correlation. Only after I learned to relax my muscles for long enough to get relief did I start to notice when I was habitually tensing.
This is not medical advice, and I am NOT a doctor of medicine or a related field.
* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
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CppsDad
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After the tsunamis in December, I had repeated flare-ups and anxiety attacks. The whole thing sickened me to the point where I couldn't watch TV or read news any more. I've learned my lesson more this time around, and, while watching and reading more than in December, I am much more careful about my exposure to horrific news stories. They cause immediate tension and pain for me.In fact, because of watching the people suffering in New Orleans for the last few days, I have been fighting pelvic clenching like a pitched battle.
Mike
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This is NOT medical advice. I am NOT a doctor.
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
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kenn101
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I find the when I stand or walk that I get increased bladder pain and if I continue I also get pain in the testicles. If I stand or walk I find that I need to take 10mg of oxycodone or more every two hours. Yet I have very little pain for a day or two after a bladder instillation of lidocaine, hytrin, sodium bicarb. Either way it makes life challenging.
But it is great to have others that can relate to you on some level and help finding information on subjects related to our afflictions.
But it is great to have others that can relate to you on some level and help finding information on subjects related to our afflictions.
I HAVE NO MEDICAL TRAINING JUST CPPS
Age:48 | Onset Age: 39 | Symptoms:mod to extreme Pain in testicle (both), right epididymis, lower back lower right and centre abdomen. Urination frequency and urgence, decreased or no urine stream, ED, night time incontinence after riding in a vehicles or too much movement. | Helped By: eating ice frequency by Elavil, urine stream by Hytrin or Flomax. Pain control Methadone and Hydromorphone but more so by Triamcinolone epidurals. | Worsened By: Too much movement, SSRI's, Hot baths or showers. eating warm or too much food,DMSO treatments. Frequency by caffeine, stress or SSRI's.
Age:48 | Onset Age: 39 | Symptoms:mod to extreme Pain in testicle (both), right epididymis, lower back lower right and centre abdomen. Urination frequency and urgence, decreased or no urine stream, ED, night time incontinence after riding in a vehicles or too much movement. | Helped By: eating ice frequency by Elavil, urine stream by Hytrin or Flomax. Pain control Methadone and Hydromorphone but more so by Triamcinolone epidurals. | Worsened By: Too much movement, SSRI's, Hot baths or showers. eating warm or too much food,DMSO treatments. Frequency by caffeine, stress or SSRI's.