Irritable bladder syndrome

[darwin]

What is Irritable bladder syndrome?
Is it related to CPP?

I read an interesting paper that discussed IBS and it stated that one third of people with Fibromyalgia have IBS and vice versa. It also stated they they may both be tied neurolgically to irritable bladder syndrome. This sounds a lot like CPP.
The entire article is here:

http://cannabiscoalition.ca/info/Russo_ ... nnabin.pdf

[Richard.N]

Smoking dope makes my symptoms worse. I think I read that it tenses certain muscles while relaxing others.

Didn't Dr. Dimitrakov once mention that there have been cases of cannibis induced prostatitis?

[webslave]

Lots of people have reported anecdotally that pot makes symptoms worse.

[darwin]

I agree that pot can worsen flare ups. It can increase anxiety and tense things up...
What I'm asking about is irritable baldder syndrome. What is this? Is it different than CPPS, related, neither?
I've never heard of it, but it seems the same.

I used pot occasionally for 10 years to treat IBS symptoms with great success, but with the prostititis/bladder symtoms, it is not helpful.
So I'm trying to figure out the Nexus between the conditions/symtpoms.
Take Ibuprofen for CPP flare ups, pot for IBS flare ups? Sleep in for both? In my case. I'm convinced that pop/caffeine and NPS (new parent syndrome) were the triggers for an underlying condition that was always there, but hardly noticeable.

BTW, I highly doubt that pot can cause prostititis. 1 in 20 adults smoke pot in any givern month. Why would the billions of research spent to find the consequences of pot not have turned up a connection? Every tax funded research into pot has either turned up nothing and been quietly thrown out, or turned up things like "amotivational syndrome" (disproven), "gateway theory" (disproven), "insanity" (disproven), "man-breasts" (disproven). They would have found proof already and touted the proof for all to see if they had it. I don't think there is a cause at all, just a condition.

Aggravete, yes
cause, no

[Richard.N]

Aggravete, yes
cause, no

Yeah - I don't have a political stance on dope, just relating something I recalled (perhaps wrongly).

Saying that, I've read of pharmaceuticals that can induce prostatitis (albeit rarely). That's not to say that that the prostatitis doesn't go after the drug is stopped.

As an aside, what's the current thinking on dope and mental illness? Hasn't long term use been linked to depression (or has that been thrown out too?).

[hodologica]

Marijuana use (heavy use, I think) has recently been linked to an increased risk of developing schizophrenia, by a pretty good-looking study. But I've heard from a reliable-sounding person that living in a city had been linked to an even more increased risk of schizophrenia (I havent personally seen that study or studies).

As for depression, anxiety: "Experiments with stoned rats suggest the drug reduces the amount of corticotrophin-releasing factor (CRF) in the amygdala. Excess secretion of CRF is associated with abnormalities in the HPLA axis and depression. The rebound surge of CRF on ceasing cannabis-use correlates with increased vulnerability to stress and a withdrawal-reaction [...] A dysfunctional response to stress, linked to a chronically overactive HPLA axis, causes anxiety disorders and depression." (source: http://www.biopsychiatry.com )

As a 3-year, often daily user who came down with CPP not too long after a huge reduction in use, I find this very interesting, especially as most of us are convinced that dysfunctional stress response is closely linked to CPP.

As for muscle tension during the acute intoxication, yes. I have noticed it in my legs or elsewhere many a time.

And I remember an occasion years ago when, while high, I suddenly felt I was going to leak urine and in response (tho I knew it was almost certainly an illusory sensation) I clamped down sustainedly on the PF. I wonder if I ever did that again more subconsciously. YIKES!

[darwin]

So what is irritable bladder syndrome?
Is this just another name for chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome symptoms or what.

Anytime they do research on rats they use quantities higher than any human would/could ever partake.
BYW, there is research showing pot use can help depression and research showing that it can cause/complicate depression. Probably means it does neither or its affects are unrelated.
As for schizophrenia, this is a genetically linked disease that, if you are prone (in your family), many things can bring it out. Mostly stress, and trauma, but also pot, alcohol, etc. Sometimes it just finally surfaces.
If you have it in your family, don't take any drugs or alcohol and try to live stress free. (good advice to anyone, but rarely followed).

[Richard.N]

Marijuana use (heavy use, I think) has recently been linked to an increased risk of developing schizophrenia, by a pretty good-looking study. But I've heard from a reliable-sounding person that living in a city had been linked to an even more increased risk of schizophrenia (I havent personally seen that study or studies).

So the evidence suggests: don't smoke marijuana heavily if you live in a major city, and if you do - don't stop!

Anecdotally, my brother regularly pisses himself if he smokes strong weed - which seems to be the opposite of what happens with me. Not that I've had any in a long while.

How did we get on to this again?

[Richard.N]

So what is irritable bladder syndrome?
Is this just another name for chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome symptoms or what.

I think it's the same as urge incontinence.

[hodologica]

Anytime they do research on rats they use quantities higher than any human would/could ever partake.

Often, yes; not always. Anyway, check out this study on earth humans who were allowed to self-administer: http://www.biopsychiatry.com/canncrav.htm

That study tends to substantiate the work showing that mj modulates CRF levels in rats. Of course it does rely on self-reported subjective states, which is something of a shortcoming in my opinion [edit: especially since the subjects undoubtedly all found out very soon after smoking whether or not they'd had placebo].

Anyway this is all speculation; I kinda suspect this stress hormone modulation does exist in humans but we dont know how strong it is, and personally I doubt it is much of a big deal. Anecdotally, I myself never noticed a disordered response to stress or any general anxiety (or anything at all) upon cessation of heavy marijuana use. I'd venture to guess that any connection between my CPP/PFD and mj has more to do with the high, anxiety-causing doses which I used frequently since I desired the challenge. My bet is I was clenching the PF for dear life in those situations, even while supposedly "flowing like a river" with the overwhelming energy. Shows you how smart I am. Whew. These days I stick to sober meditation.

[MastCells]

What is Irritable bladder syndrome?

Irritable bladder syndrome is just another name for interstitial cystitis.