Chronic Prostatitis

[Cure9393]

Hello Members,

Sharing my experience with CP (Dec 2018). After oral sex from risky encounter, I experienced aching pain on penis head the next day for about 3-5 days. Next pain transitioned to testicles, as I believe it was epididmytis. Next I experienced the pain in the perineum area as prostatitis. I visited the urgent care during that 3-5 days, And received doxycycline which did nothing. In the beginning of my prostatitis I dealt with weak stream and urgent/frequent urination which subsided. Now my symptoms are, mild penis head pain (seldomly), perineum pain and erectile difficulties and very low libido (basically non existent). I don’t like using man made antibiotics so I use a lot of the antibiotics from nature as God provided us. At this point as much as I’ve used without major relief I don’t know if it’s bacterial or not. But I also don’t believe it’s related to CPPS or pelvic floor disorders of the such. I believe it’s literally CP. I’m currently using a intra Rectal heater twice a day. Going through focused shockwave therapy once a week, followed by a short but effective prostate massage. I’ve been experiencing relief in pain but my pain is still lingering and my ed is still affected. I may notice few erections during sleep but not as many as previous nor do I wake up with boner as I did previously before. I know people have had their issues cured and Ed restored. Any advice or info. Related to my condition would be fantastic. Thank you. God bless.

[Cure9393]

I’ve also wanted to mention I’ve heard very little personally about people’s experience with CP using shockwave therapy. Even the litttle I heard everyone mentioned their issues being/getting worse. But mine has only gotten better. Is there a good sign? Maybe this can lead to eventually my issues subsiding completely permanently?

[webslave]

After oral sex from risky encounter, I experienced aching pain on penis head the next day for about 3-5 days.

Infection never shows itself this quickly, so you can be sure it is not infection.

I don’t like using man made antibiotics so I use a lot of the antibiotics from nature as God provided us.

Antibiotics of any kind won't help you at all.

But I also don’t believe it’s related to CPPS or pelvic floor disorders of the such. I believe it’s literally CP.

You're simply wrong.

Heaters and SW therapy may help; keep us informed please.

[Cure9393]

First, Thanks for your response and happy 4th Of July. Of course I Will keep you all informed. I want to help people get past this.

Second, If you don’t mind let me pick at your brain, because you seem very informed about these conditions.

1. How can we be completely sure an infection doesn’t show itself this quickly. There’s a lot we still don’t know as humans about micro-organisms. I believe even if I don’t have an infection now, my issues were possibly still caused by one...
2. Since the start of this issue as I mentioned antibiotics never did a thing for me nor have I felt any resolve at any point of time from using one, so I partly agree they won’t help me. But just in case I’ve just been using herbal antibiotics.
3. How am I simply wrong about my idea that it’s CP as opposed to CPPS? I’ve read stories of people who had CPPS, when the doctor goes to check their prostate, they find nothing wrong with it, I.e the DRE shows no inflammation/bogginess. I on the other hand when I get my DRE the doctor can clearly feel it’s inflamed/boggy. I feel as if too many “health professionals” bunch up together CP/CPPS just because symptoms are similar due to the area that’s affected. But it’s two different modals. That’s why I feel like for me it’s more of a CP issue than a pelvic floor type of issue... I could be wrong but I’m just assuming due to everything I’ve learned/dealt with thus far.

[webslave]

1. Just not the way infection works. There is an incubation period that means you will not see symptoms for at least a couple of days. For example, for gonorrhoea the incubation period, the time from exposure to the bacteria until symptoms develop, is usually 2 to 5 days. But sometimes symptoms may not develop for up to 30 days. With chlamydia, the incubation period is quite variable and may range from days to months after the initial exposure. The average time from exposure to the development of symptoms is usually about one to three weeks after sexual contact with an infected person.
2. Herbal antibiotics are okay, especially if they make you feel empowered
3. Some men with CPPS do have boggy prostates. Bogginess is =\= infection, it can also denote simple inflammation. See https://ucpps.men/chro ... condition/

[Cure9393]

Hello Webslave. Checking in. I’ve finished shock wave treatment. Still not cured, currently still using the heater 2x a day. My pain/symptoms have decreased, last prostate massage, my urologist said the texture of my prostate improved (not as boggy). Is it possible for my prostate to be healing but not fully healed? Also, would that mean for sure it’s not a virus/bacteria since I have seen improvement in my ailment? I will continue the heaters and weekly prostate massage, hoping it will increase blood flow and eventually lead to full healing. Thank you

[webslave]

CPPS is never cured quickly, but improvements of any kind are welcome and show you are heading in the right direction.

Your prostate may be less boggy, but that may not be important because it only became boggy due to inflammation linked to the nerve activity in the entire pelvis. So don't focus on that one small organ. It's not the main player. But the reduction in bogginess does show that the nerve activity is calming down in that area, which is good.

Yes, this is proof that you do not have an infection, so forget about that. Keep up with the heat, massage and try to mix in relaxation training of some sort, such as meditation.

[Cure9393]

Thank you for your input webslave. I gotchu, I will continue as I have. I’ve also been going to the gym I’ve recently started incorporating lots of leg work outs like squats, leg presses, lunges, etc with no exacerbation of pain. Hoping it’s a sign muscle tension isn’t an issue.

[Moelicious]

FWIW, when I saw Dr. Moldwin (a CPPS expert in NY) he said to avoid squats

[Cure9393]

First, I would like to thank Webslave for this forum and all of the work and assistance he's provided to countless members.

Originally I and webslave had a spat because I commented on a members post saying this condition was from an infection, but after talking to webslave we reconciled. Later, I realized he was right and I did have Pelvic Floor Dysfunction, which I believe is the cause of the prostatitis.

After months of treatments, stretching and the such my pain levels have calmed down. I'm feeling better and better each week. My symptoms are very low pain (maybe 1-2/10) and my ED/low libido.

It's very tough to relax the pelvic floor, sometimes it really does feel stuck. If anyone has any tips on relaxing the PF that would be great.

My PF Physical therapist tells me my tight/non relaxing pelvic floor is what causes the weakness and once I deal with the lengthening then the strength will automatically come. As it needs to be able to contract and relax completely in its range of motion.

This condition isn't easy. But I haven't given up yet. Thanks

[webslave]

Thanks for the update.

People with CPPS, or any other form of nerve-muscle spasm dysfunction, may have to accept that they are prone to this sort of disorder.

I have trigger points in my shoulders and neck. They are extremely resistant to treatment. Anything can cause them to flare, especially work I do with my hands. Getting these trigger points to resolve is an ongoing task. I often sit and work on my shoulders with a Theracane while watching TV at night. Or I use a vibrating massager on them. It all helps and stops the spasms from becoming disabling and headache-causing.

Relaxing the pelvic floor is not a trivial accomplishment and may be essential unachievable in the long-term if you have, as I do in my shoulders, nerves and muscles easily provoked into spasm.

The key would be to find what activity or way of thinking provokes the spasms. Do you have any thoughts as to what could be causing it? Stressful sitting at work (common cause)? Computer games? Truck driving?

[Cure9393]

Sometimes over excitement or anxiety can make it feel as if it’s in spasm as well as too much walking. Just go clarify are you saying it can be impossible to relax my pelvic floor in the long run? If so what can I attribute to my constant reduction of pain? I feel as if I’ve finally found a PT of value. As my pelvic floor muscle tone is constantly improving. My first PT had me doing kegels smh. Spasms are when the muscles feel stuck? I related spasms to the muscles feeling stuck as I don’t know the true definition.

[webslave]

I'm saying that you can relax the pelvic floor, but it won't take much to make it go into spasm again. Therefore a permanent relaxation will be impossible without constant monitoring and/or treatment. You can feel fine for a few weeks, months or sometimes even years, but typically you will get the symptoms back when you revert to old ways of thinking, behaving, stressing, or even eating (if you have gluten problems, for instance, since gluten affects nerves in some men).

[Helpme]

Hi Webslave , did your gluten intolerance show up on a food allergy test ? Thinking of testing for all food allergies you see . Thank you

[webslave]

No, it did not. Nor did it show up when I had a bowel biopsy to look for celiac disease.

The only way to find out if gluten is an issue for you is to exclude it for a month, then re-introduce in a big way (eats lots for a few days), and if you then notice any symptoms (bowel change, runny nose, stomach pain, rash, sore joints, headache, fatigue, hiccups, dyspepsia etc), that means you are sensitive to it and should exclude it forever.

Pelvic pain from gluten tends to come and go slowly in response to starting or stopping gluten, so look for other signs of sensitivity as described above.