My pelvic pain is very manageable these days (no urinary symptoms to speak of, little discomfort when sitting) but I've been plagued by neuropathic pain in my feet. As such, I was experimenting with internal trigger points last night to see if I could get any relief.
I did discover a painful area close to my tailbone (I believe that would be called the 6 o'clock position in the pelvic floor). I experienced a sharp pain upon pressing and then what felt to be a "release" of the muscle in that area. Needless to say, I was somewhat sore in that area immediately following, but feel fine today. In fact, the neuropathic pain in my feet is completely relieved for now and I'm left wondering if there may have been some nerve compression in that area that I was able to relieve somehow.
Interestingly, I never really bothered to check that area since it isn't close to the prostate or groin area. Of course, I can't convincingly say that this specific treatment produced the associated relief until I see improvement over time.
Would love to hear from anyone that can share a similar experience. If not, take this as another testament to giving trigger point therapy some consideration.
Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
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Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Age: 49 | Onset Age: 36 Initial | Symptoms: Pain in perineum and rectum, urinary symptoms (esp. frequency). Current | Symptoms: Pain in perineum/rectum when sitting, burning in feet. | Helped By: sleep, yoga type stretches, relaxing, walking, yard work!, jogging, positive thinking, changing life outlook. No help: antibiotics, alpha blockers | Worsened By: Sitting too long, diet: unidentified food triggers, obsessing over it.
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Re: Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Not nerve compression, much more likely to be nerve crosstalk.
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Re: Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Yes, have heard discussions on nerve crosstalk on this board. I would assume trigger point treatment would help that assuming it addresses the primary source of the pain?
Also, does nerve crosstalk occur even after the source of the pain has been addressed or does it indicate there is still a problem? In other words, if the nervous system is so "wound up" it may simply take a long time (years?) to go away?
Also, does nerve crosstalk occur even after the source of the pain has been addressed or does it indicate there is still a problem? In other words, if the nervous system is so "wound up" it may simply take a long time (years?) to go away?
Age: 49 | Onset Age: 36 Initial | Symptoms: Pain in perineum and rectum, urinary symptoms (esp. frequency). Current | Symptoms: Pain in perineum/rectum when sitting, burning in feet. | Helped By: sleep, yoga type stretches, relaxing, walking, yard work!, jogging, positive thinking, changing life outlook. No help: antibiotics, alpha blockers | Worsened By: Sitting too long, diet: unidentified food triggers, obsessing over it.
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Re: Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Yes, if the primary source of nerve activity is addressed, the crosstalking ceases.extreme3 wrote:Yes, have heard discussions on nerve crosstalk on this board. I would assume trigger point treatment would help that assuming it addresses the primary source of the pain?
If it continues after other symptoms have abated completely, then I'd look at the spine or at peripheral neuropathy. However many people, including me, had sensations around the ankles and feet that abated as the chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome waned. In my case, I had a burning patch on one ankle.Also, does nerve crosstalk occur even after the source of the pain has been addressed or does it indicate there is still a problem? In other words, if the nervous system is so "wound up" it may simply take a long time (years?) to go away?
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Re: Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Have an EMG test next week for PN. Would that detect cross talk? I'm thinking not...
Age: 49 | Onset Age: 36 Initial | Symptoms: Pain in perineum and rectum, urinary symptoms (esp. frequency). Current | Symptoms: Pain in perineum/rectum when sitting, burning in feet. | Helped By: sleep, yoga type stretches, relaxing, walking, yard work!, jogging, positive thinking, changing life outlook. No help: antibiotics, alpha blockers | Worsened By: Sitting too long, diet: unidentified food triggers, obsessing over it.
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No, that cannot detect cross talk.
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Re: Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Well, that's good. So if it comes back negative, PN can be ruled out and I suppose nerve damage in general.
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Re: Trigger point release relieves nerve pain?
Hi Extreme3,
I too have a very sore spot at 5/6 o'clock from the tailbone. My tailbone was offset after a fall through a roof and I think there's scar tissue after forming as a result of muscle tension over a period of time. When I compress this area with my thumb and use my index finger on the corresponding area outside and massage and 'pinch' it, it creates an overall 'sick' feeling of pain that radiates down to my thighs and up to my ribs. I can feel little rubbery nodules in the area, in the connective tissue my PT said. When I treat this area very aggressively (for about 10 mins) the urethra can start to get very irritated so I believe this is a problem area for me.
I have these nodules under my thighs too and I think they are responsible for a lot of my sitting pain. I sit on heat packs now whilst driving and even in work as they are discreet. What I would say is to 'explore' all down your legs and your psoas, I have so much sore spots it's hard to keep on top of them. Most of mine are above the knee and my psoas is a problematic one too.
Once you start to create a 'map' of problematic areas you can systematically treat them effectively.
DMcU
I too have a very sore spot at 5/6 o'clock from the tailbone. My tailbone was offset after a fall through a roof and I think there's scar tissue after forming as a result of muscle tension over a period of time. When I compress this area with my thumb and use my index finger on the corresponding area outside and massage and 'pinch' it, it creates an overall 'sick' feeling of pain that radiates down to my thighs and up to my ribs. I can feel little rubbery nodules in the area, in the connective tissue my PT said. When I treat this area very aggressively (for about 10 mins) the urethra can start to get very irritated so I believe this is a problem area for me.
I have these nodules under my thighs too and I think they are responsible for a lot of my sitting pain. I sit on heat packs now whilst driving and even in work as they are discreet. What I would say is to 'explore' all down your legs and your psoas, I have so much sore spots it's hard to keep on top of them. Most of mine are above the knee and my psoas is a problematic one too.
Once you start to create a 'map' of problematic areas you can systematically treat them effectively.
DMcU
Age: 25 Onset: 23. | Symptoms: Burning in urethra, urinary frequency/urgency, 'golf ball' in butt syndrome, muscle tension form pelvis to calves, constipation, IBS, testicular pain/inflam, bladder pain when nearly full, difficulty relaxing muscles (coccygeal, levator ani etc.), pain and muscles tension in anus/perineum. Helped by: quercetin, relaxation, baths, heat packs applied to perineum. Worsened by: Stress, driving, sitting, jogging, caffeine etc.
