ok... Alcohol = flare up

[papichullini]

Ok. . . I went clubbing yesterday, I drank like 3 beers. . . and today. . I could feel I was a mess. . .
So I know Alcohol makes my genital area feel sore. What I want to know now, is why alcohol provokes that? In the most accurate scientific way as possible. . .
Do you make any idea? We all know alcohol is bad. . . but why does it affect this condition?

many thanks

[webslave]

See viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7741

[garyholc]

I would agree with this after my weekend! It was my birthday yesterday (Sat) so I went into town with my mates. Drank far too much and mixed it all too, spent most of the next day in bed with the hangover from hell, but today, wow, pain or what!!! And after a period of 4 months with no pain, its such a co-incidence it has now re-emerged after a night of very heavy drinking. Its starting to die down a little bit this evening, but thank god birthdays are only once a year.

Generally however, a single glass of red wine during an evening can sometimes help if I have symptoms, in particular I found it useful for reducing the feeling of frequency.

I guess its a toss up between do you live your life as you used to and go out every weekend and have a drink, and then pay the consequences for the rest of the week, or do you alter your lifestyle? I rarely drink as much as I did this weekend, but I thought, its my birthday and if I have to suffer for the next week, then so be it, but for this weekend, I am going to be normal, and have a good weekend with my mates, and that is exactly what I did. Back to normality again from tomorrow onwards.

But from reading Webslaves comments above, I would concur this is what happened to me today!!

[dacasdo]

Is there is something that you have to do to take a normal drink with your mates and having no pain.
I'm really afraid of doing that, because next day will be very worst.
What are the remedies?
Antibiotic Injections? Botox?
I ask always. Why us?

[calguy]

I can drink a lot of vodka and have no problems, actually helps a lot and feel totally normal for a couple days. Webslave is probably right in the long run I am probably hurting myself. I really need to get back to totally healthy eating and drinking for my health in the long run and gaining a few pounds since I can't run like I used to. But If I have really long week and really tight it helps. Beer is totally out of the question though, 1 beer and I will pay later. You could experiment with wine and vodka and see how you feel if you really want to drink something with your mates.

[garyholc]

Is there is something that you have to do to take a normal drink with your mates and having no pain.
I'm really afraid of doing that, because next day will be very worst.
What are the remedies?
Antibiotic Injections? Botox?
I ask always. Why us?

Some drinks will affect you more than others. For example I was mostly drinking beer on the weekend which I have found will affect me a lot worse than say a vodka or a glass of wine. Also, I believe in moderation (unless its my birthday lol) so maybe dont drink as much as your mates, have a drink, then a water, then a drink, then a water etc just to dilute it more.

As for remedies, well the obvious one here is not to drink at all. But we have to have some normality in our lives, so try experimenting with other drinks like Calguy says, and see how you get on. I believe there was a thread on here a while back about this, and vodka came out a good choice.

As for why us.... I guess we all thought this at some point, but then I have met some people who are in a much worse position than myself, and it has made me realise that things could be a hell of a lot worse. Be thankful for what you have, and if you fight through this and keep thinking positive, you'll be surprised how much better you will start to feel

[dacasdo]

Thanks garyholc and calguy for your recommendation.
Its truth garyholc. I saw people with worst thing than us and a lot of people very healthier. But thanks God we can think, write, walk, drive and still have some sex, hehehe.
Well I'll try vodka. How you recommend me to drink the vodka?
What about if I drink beers and water or beer with ice?
Recommendations please?

[papichullini]

Hello again,

I really appreciate your response. It could not be better I guess. However I have other questions:

1- So, if the alcohol is having an effect in my body. . . should I forget about the hypothesis that is a muscular problem? So what kind of problem is it? What is wrong with our bodies so alcohol can have a different effect then in other people? Is because our urethra is more fragile now? if yes. . . what can we do to recover ?

2- Can salt also have the same effects once it probably dehydrate the body?

3- What can you do about the mast cells?

4- What is the best wine to drink? Red, white, rose, green? Last time I drank cider, I got a hell of a flare up. . .

[webslave]

1. You are confused and need to read the page on pelvic myoneuropathy carefully. This is a psychoneuromuscular condition that affects both the pelvic muscles and nerves as well as the genitourinary tract.
2. No, salt is not a diuretic.
3. For mast cells, antihistamines, Vitamin C, quercetin, and more. best of all, calm the neural activity that is provoking the mast cell degranulation.
4. Wine is not a good form of alcohol for men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (too many congeners). If you must drink, use Vodka.

[papichullini]

If alcohol block the creation of vasopressin. Is there any supplement you can take that may restore the balance?

[mach5]

How long after you drink before your symptoms get worse?

1 min
5 min
30 min
1hr
the next day

Mine tend to get worse within 5 mins. I definatly dont have to wait for it to hit my bladder before I get a strong burning sensation in the urethral area. Ouch!

[boulder]

The same is true of me: When I consume alcohol my symptoms get worse long before it reaches my bladder or urethra. I experience a worsening or symptoms (along with the buzz) within 5 or 10 minutes.

My guess is that a worsening of symptoms from alcohol happens (at least partly, for some of us) at the central nervous system (CNS) level.

[BrettP]

Alcohol does make me pee a lot. However the benefits of the booze and everything else have helped me some. I do drink a lot of water to hydrate myself.

[moxsum]

Its hard to say... When I first noticed symptoms, alcohol definitely seemed to make things worse, after I had a few drinks. The next day I would notice a lot more "cloudy" urine. But then there have been times where I have drank and not noticed anything really.

I think the type of alcohol makes a difference. But probably it is all bad.

For me it seems like Wine and Beer are the worst offenders. I seem to do better with a Hennessy and Coke ;)

[robertpagen]

In my extensive experience I find beer to be the worst trigger. I don't know why. cheap wine and coolers are also bad. I find clear drinks like Vodka and gin to produce minimal effect. Again, it is anecdotal and I don't know why.

Be Well