Toothpaste

tom402 · Post by **tom402** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:52 am

I feel like a complete moron for even asking this, but I've tested this out a few times now with the same results...

One morning last week I awoke late for a work appointment, I was so late I just threw on some clothes and zoomed out the door without shaving or brushing my teeth (luckily I had some gum in the car so I didn't have gross morning breath). That day I noticed a marked reduction in my symptoms and joked to myself "maybe I'm allergic to toothpaste". Being at the point where I'm willing to try anything, no matter how insane it seems (as long it doesn't involve hurting myself) I went without using toothpaste for the next 24 hours and things became even better. So I went out and bought a different brand of toothpaste to the one I was using before and started using that instead, symptoms soon returned. So I stopped using toothpaste for another 24 hours... another marked improved.

What the hell is going on? The notion that toothpaste could be the root of my problems seems so utterly and completely rediculous I can't really comprehend it. If I really was reacting to something in the toothpaste, why would it only effect my bladder? I drink a lot of filtered tap water, could it be flouride overload?

My only plausable explanation is that it's purely psychological. And to be honest I hope that's all it is because pain or no pain, I'm not going any longer without brushing my teeth, and I certainly don't recommend anyone else try not brushing theirs, I just wondered if there was some remote possibility I may be allergic to one of the many ingredients. Maybe I'll try something like Sarakan toothpaste and see if it really is all in my head.

Post by **webslave** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 2:33 am

My rule is never to decide that something is helping based on one or a few days experience. 2-6 months is more like the time you need to see a definite improvement from anything.

thetruejedi · Post by **thetruejedi** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:15 am

what kind of toothpaste are u using? does it claim to whiten your teeth? I tried some the the crest whitening strips and they may cuz me to flare, not to sure at this point thou.

tom402 · Post by **tom402** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:47 pm

I was using Aquafresh. I have switched to Euthymol, which is fluoride free (although it contains saccharin). I will be trying it for a month or two, and seeing what improvements I notice over the whole period. After that period I may stick with it, or try a "natural" toothpaste (Tom's of Maine or Weleda for example) free of both fluoride and things like saccharin for a couple of months.

Desperato · Post by **Desperato** » Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:00 pm

Dear Tom:

I think you are going into a completely crazy state of mind, starting to imagine things. I do believe that there can be no harm of using a toothpaste, as long as you do not consume a bottle every morning. Just try a kind of treatment and do not presume things unless you are absolutely sure and a well knowledged doctor has agreed with you.

I keep checking this Forum. I find it useful. I do believe in the sports and go to fitness every other day. I am on elmiron and Quercetin. I drink a cup of coffee every morning, not more than that, take care of the wheat (as a general precaution), do not afford a lot of alcohol and think that this is the way - not to cut many things out of the regular regime. The other is going completely crazy and ruin your life. Just try to take control of the situation.

Best regards,

Desp

tom402 · Post by **tom402** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 12:04 am

Desp,

I agree. In all I've changed very little, I'm not even on any meds yet and am taking things very slowly. Yeah the toothpaste thing is probably nonsensical, but I don't think trying a few different brands will make me go completely crazy and ruin my life

ddarcher · Post by **ddarcher** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:49 am

It's not the toothpaste, but it could be brushing the teeth. Whenever we brush bacteria are released into the bloodstream. Studies have shown in those with gingivitis that this can be significant and may contribute to heart disease and other medical conditions. Any areas of inflamation can be efffected more so than other areas in the body. Hence if your prostate has a chronic inflamation then the act of brushing could theoretically make it worse. My advice is to see a dentist to get checked for gingivitis, floss 2-3 times a day, brush frequently and use an antibacterial mouthwash.

Post by **webslave** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 3:55 pm

I saw a recent study (see below) that recommended the electric toothbrush made by Braun (Braun Excel 3D) over manual brushing and over all other models for sale. I bought one and it is an excellent product. If you ever have bleeding gums, this is for you.

Pract Proced Aesthet Dent 2003 Jan-Feb;15(1):suppl 21 "Oral-B power toothbrush technology--research-proven as the most effective in reducing plaque, gingivitis, and extrinsic stain formation."

bti20 · Post by **bti20** » Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:00 pm

I've got that toothbrush too. But it hasn't got rid of my chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome unfortunately. :rolleyes:

Richard.N · Post by **Richard.N** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:50 pm

I saw a recent study (see below) that recommended the electric toothbrush made by Braun (Braun Excel 3D) over manual brushing and over all other models for sale. I bought one and it is an excellent product. If you ever have bleeding gums, this is for you.

Is this the ultrasonic one Mark?

Post by **webslave** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:24 pm

This one.

tacoma13 · Post by **tacoma13** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:05 pm

I've also got that tooth brush. It is an excellent product. I bought it because I did have gingivitis, plus I just wasn't a big flosser. 4 cavities later, I am now a BIG flosser. I even use 1.1% flouride tooth paste and an antibacterial mouthwash. You guys bring up some interesting points about bacteria being release into the blood stream. I'm wondering if any of you haven't had your wisdom teeth out yet? I'm 31 and so far have had only 1 removed. A long while back I was reading an alternative medical book at Barnes and Noble. Upon reading a case of Prostatitis in this book, the author mentions that the patient had several decaying and infected wisdom teeth. Upon removal of these teeth, and better brushing habits, the patients Prostatitis went away. I wish I could remember which book this was, but I think it was probably one of Dr. Weil's. His reasons for why he thinks the patient got better was certain bacteria can "hide" in teeth under the gumline and cause many infections in the body and because of where they are they are not affected by antibiotics nor does antibacterial mouthwash get down deep enough to kill them. Anyway, it's an interesting theory with absolutley no basis in fact...except it helped one patient. Next time I go to the book store I'll see if I can find the book again.

Post by **webslave** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:54 pm

I had all 4 wisdom teeth out at age 18.

tom402 · Post by **tom402** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 2:58 am

I suppose it's possible that bacteria released during brushing could be effecting the prostate if it's inflamed.

I don't see that there's much else I can do in the oral hygene dept. though. I see my dentist once every few months for the standard clean/polish/whatever and he never reports any problems. I brush twice a day, floss and use a mouthwash. What more is there to do?

I've not had any wisdom teeth out. Can't even feel any of 'em, except for 1 which has come through slightly. I asked my dentist about that when it happened, he took a good look and did some x-rays and said nothing needed to be done. If it needed to be removed I firmly believe he would've recommended it (it would've meant more money for his practice after all). I also had occasional bleeding gums for a while that always occured in the same place. My dentist and I discovered this was due to over-firm brushing in a sensitive area of my lower set where they are slightly more crowded than elsewhere.

As for the electric toothbrush, I also have that one but I don't use it at the moment. When you go from a regular toothbrush to an electric one it feels like an industrial sander against your teeth

(to me anywany). It was a bit too weird for me. But maybe I'll give it another go.

ddarcher · Post by **ddarcher** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:20 pm

During a previous remision from this disease abou 2 years ago, I had a mild flare up associated with a sensitive tooth. Dental x-rays were negative. Finally the pain became enough of a distraction that I had a root canal. The dentist was surprised that the tooth was infected since the x-rays were negative. The flare up subsided and I really didn't make a connection between the 2. But now I realize that during my recent regimen (see success stories) that I also had a root canal for another infected tooth which again corresponded with a remision. Coincidence? Who knows. But makes for interesting speculation. My Dentists have stories to tell about systemic symptoms which resolve after a root canal or treatment for gingivitis. Hmmm.....

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