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dandyman
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HELLO FOLKS.
Been doing a lot of post reading in here and I have read the Stanford book. I've had the pelvic pain for almost four years and I'm 67 years old.
I've tried some exercises but I guess that's not enough. My pain is mostly when setting and cushions with a split in the middle doesn't help.
I've called my insurance about the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol but can't get a straight answer on what they will cover. The only comfy chair is the toilet seat.
Just before I fall asleep in my chair the pain goes away proving there must be something to this relaxation theory.
I've tried some exercises but I guess that's not enough. My pain is mostly when setting and cushions with a split in the middle doesn't help.
I've called my insurance about the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol but can't get a straight answer on what they will cover. The only comfy chair is the toilet seat.
Just before I fall asleep in my chair the pain goes away proving there must be something to this relaxation theory.
DANDY
I've been fighting the pelvic pain for four years, mostly when setting. It's like setting on a spear. I have an over sized bladder that doesn't drain all the way. Three and a half years of meds and a microwave treatment did nothing.I'm considering the Standord thing though I don't know how well Medicare covers. I'm 67 years old.
I've been fighting the pelvic pain for four years, mostly when setting. It's like setting on a spear. I have an over sized bladder that doesn't drain all the way. Three and a half years of meds and a microwave treatment did nothing.I'm considering the Standord thing though I don't know how well Medicare covers. I'm 67 years old.
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scotsman
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Welcome to the forum Dandy
Perhaps worth buying a relaxation CD and doing half an hour of that a couple times a day.
RIchard.
Perhaps worth buying a relaxation CD and doing half an hour of that a couple times a day.
RIchard.
Not medical advice: Read my progress to date : Read about my W-A clinic visit
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
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dandyman
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Thank you for the reply. I did buy the Headache in the Pelvis book. I even showed it to my urologist who seems un-Impressed. Maybe I need a new one. I live n western IL. BUT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A TRIGGER POINT THERAPY CLINIC.
Was the Stanford therapy disk the one you are recommending?
Was the Stanford therapy disk the one you are recommending?
DANDY
I've been fighting the pelvic pain for four years, mostly when setting. It's like setting on a spear. I have an over sized bladder that doesn't drain all the way. Three and a half years of meds and a microwave treatment did nothing.I'm considering the Standord thing though I don't know how well Medicare covers. I'm 67 years old.
I've been fighting the pelvic pain for four years, mostly when setting. It's like setting on a spear. I have an over sized bladder that doesn't drain all the way. Three and a half years of meds and a microwave treatment did nothing.I'm considering the Standord thing though I don't know how well Medicare covers. I'm 67 years old.
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scotsman
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That tends to be a very common reaction as most uro's are ignorant to chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome as a condition. This is slowly changing but only a few Uro's are up to speed.dandyman wrote:.... I even showed it to my uroliogist who seems un-Impressed.....[/b]
Whilst the Stanford CD's are very good, they aren't sold in isolation and you need to purchase consultation with them as well which can be expensive (all relative of course).dandyman wrote:Was the Stanford theropy disk the one you are recomending?
I'd suggest that you purchase some CD's of Amazon to try first. Here are some suggestions.
Experience Yoga Nidra: Guided deep relaxation
Awakened Mind System
I'd also get this book: The Relaxation & Stress Reduction Workbook.
Regards
Richard.
Not medical advice: Read my progress to date : Read about my W-A clinic visit
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
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scoobysnacks
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None of my uros have been excited by the book. The last one though was willing to admit this was a muscular issue, and will work with me in my limited use of Ativan as I treat myself. At this point thats his only limited role. I tell him how I'm feeling, showing him I dont abuse the Ativan, let him know from time to time I'm improving and we move forward.
Study this board, study the book and find someone skilled in trigger points of the pelvic floor. I will caution I saw two PTs prior to Tim Sawyer and both said I didn't have any issues. However, after my visits with Tim it was discovered I was, in his words, "one jacked up dude" from years of soccer, bodybuilding, unnatural holding patterns of the abdomen and probably stress of law school and work. My point is not all PTs are created equal.
For me going to SP was worth its weight in gold. I continue to make progress. I'm to the point now where internal work helps rather than flares me up, this is a relatively new occurrence. One I should probably post about.
Regards,
Ss
Study this board, study the book and find someone skilled in trigger points of the pelvic floor. I will caution I saw two PTs prior to Tim Sawyer and both said I didn't have any issues. However, after my visits with Tim it was discovered I was, in his words, "one jacked up dude" from years of soccer, bodybuilding, unnatural holding patterns of the abdomen and probably stress of law school and work. My point is not all PTs are created equal.
For me going to SP was worth its weight in gold. I continue to make progress. I'm to the point now where internal work helps rather than flares me up, this is a relatively new occurrence. One I should probably post about.
Regards,
Ss
Age:29 | Onset Age: 25.5 | Symptoms: Initially burning in prostate/perineum, burning in urethra, uncontrollable muscle contraction before urinating, dual ache in groin, left testicle pain, feeling of golf ball in rectum, soarness in rectum, and muscle spasms, now mainly very mild urinary tract inflammation, burning mildly after ejaculation, some days after physical activity involuntary mild muscle contraction before urinating | Helped By: .5 mg of Ativan, Aleve (naproxen), quercetin, alcohol in large quantities (vodka and soda), stretching, walking, internal massage the perineum area and levators. | Worsened By: sitting, weightraining, jogging, coffee, caffeine in general, alcohol bothered me at first, overdoing sex
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Clay
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To find a physical therapist, you might try
http://www.pelvicpain.org/providers/find_provider.aspx
It's the International Pelvic Pain Society. Be sure to click on "Find Provider" and not "Search Site".
I found a local person who referred me to my PT. My PT swears there are no men in the area who will do internal trigger points. She specializes in women's issues, but she is very skilled and easy to work with.
http://www.pelvicpain.org/providers/find_provider.aspx
It's the International Pelvic Pain Society. Be sure to click on "Find Provider" and not "Search Site".
I found a local person who referred me to my PT. My PT swears there are no men in the area who will do internal trigger points. She specializes in women's issues, but she is very skilled and easy to work with.
I am not a doctor too!
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
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dandyman
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thanks for the replies folks. I don't know what direction I'm going to go yet. Dr. Wise asked me to call him in my last email so maybe I should do that. :x
DANDY
I've been fighting the pelvic pain for four years, mostly when setting. It's like setting on a spear. I have an over sized bladder that doesn't drain all the way. Three and a half years of meds and a microwave treatment did nothing.I'm considering the Standord thing though I don't know how well Medicare covers. I'm 67 years old.
I've been fighting the pelvic pain for four years, mostly when setting. It's like setting on a spear. I have an over sized bladder that doesn't drain all the way. Three and a half years of meds and a microwave treatment did nothing.I'm considering the Standord thing though I don't know how well Medicare covers. I'm 67 years old.
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scoobysnacks
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That is a great start, he will answer your questions and put you at ease to some extent.dandyman wrote:thanks for the replies folks. I don't know what direction I'm going to go yet. Dr. Wise asked me to call him in my last email so maybe I should do that. :x
The hardest part in this IS GETTING STARTED, once I got started I was fine.
Let us know if you need help devising a plan.
Regards,
Ss
Age:29 | Onset Age: 25.5 | Symptoms: Initially burning in prostate/perineum, burning in urethra, uncontrollable muscle contraction before urinating, dual ache in groin, left testicle pain, feeling of golf ball in rectum, soarness in rectum, and muscle spasms, now mainly very mild urinary tract inflammation, burning mildly after ejaculation, some days after physical activity involuntary mild muscle contraction before urinating | Helped By: .5 mg of Ativan, Aleve (naproxen), quercetin, alcohol in large quantities (vodka and soda), stretching, walking, internal massage the perineum area and levators. | Worsened By: sitting, weightraining, jogging, coffee, caffeine in general, alcohol bothered me at first, overdoing sex
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damien6
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Hello
Hello,
I don't want to crash into someone elses page. This is my second time on the site. There was just a show on TV (Australia) about cronic pain, how that becomes the disease and not an indicator of a problem. That its difficult to get into people's minds that just resting won't make it go away like normal pain. I know I have that problem, I just want to go to bed a lot and hate exerting myself as it seems to create anxiety, more pain/discomfort yadda.
I haven't read very much on this site, or very much on this area yet, as I find it stressfull to confront this. But of course life isn't pleasant at the mo as this thing dominates. Find it very difficult to get up and running on this issue.
Yours,
Damien
I don't want to crash into someone elses page. This is my second time on the site. There was just a show on TV (Australia) about cronic pain, how that becomes the disease and not an indicator of a problem. That its difficult to get into people's minds that just resting won't make it go away like normal pain. I know I have that problem, I just want to go to bed a lot and hate exerting myself as it seems to create anxiety, more pain/discomfort yadda.
I haven't read very much on this site, or very much on this area yet, as I find it stressfull to confront this. But of course life isn't pleasant at the mo as this thing dominates. Find it very difficult to get up and running on this issue.
Yours,
Damien
Age:29 | Onset Age:24 Correct diagnosis Age: 27.5 | Symptoms: pain, burning in genital region | Helped By: Initial cystoscopy procedure which removed stricture and bladder carcinoma 30% better, less stress, getting better gradually | Worsened By: Feeling out of comfort zone/control, stress.
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Clay
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Damien, I understand completely. Next time I want a disease that is fixed by taking pills! It's hard enough to be betrayed by my body at my age, I imagine it's much harder at yours.
At least we do live in an age where there is enough information available to get ourselves better, and we've found a terrific starting place here!
At least we do live in an age where there is enough information available to get ourselves better, and we've found a terrific starting place here!
I am not a doctor too!
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
Age 64, sudden onset 5/06 during bout of flu, colitis, lung and liver problems. Pain in penis, then moved to rectum. No urinary symptoms. Use Lyrica, Elavil, paxil, Xanax, morphine, vicodin, relaxation, pads for sitting, 100+ PT sessions. Sensitive to gluten, milk protein, soy. I have CFS, anxiety, GERD, Barrett's, colitis, kidney stones, one of which referred pain to penis.
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damien6
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Haha how true Clay.
First time I read something about this on the internet it said, "Well guys the info on this area isn't clear so you've got to take control of this yourself", I thought you've got to be kidding! Leave that stuff to the Doctors and just give me the results. Oh well at least this issue is being taken serioulsy. My Urologist the first time I saw him wasn't very helpful, "Yes, its common, not very much we can do, here's some pills *wink of the eye*". I guess thats no suprise from whats just been said about Uros unfortunatley.
It feels good to be getting on top of this at last.
Thanks, Damien
First time I read something about this on the internet it said, "Well guys the info on this area isn't clear so you've got to take control of this yourself", I thought you've got to be kidding! Leave that stuff to the Doctors and just give me the results. Oh well at least this issue is being taken serioulsy. My Urologist the first time I saw him wasn't very helpful, "Yes, its common, not very much we can do, here's some pills *wink of the eye*". I guess thats no suprise from whats just been said about Uros unfortunatley.
It feels good to be getting on top of this at last.
Thanks, Damien
Age:29 | Onset Age:24 Correct diagnosis Age: 27.5 | Symptoms: pain, burning in genital region | Helped By: Initial cystoscopy procedure which removed stricture and bladder carcinoma 30% better, less stress, getting better gradually | Worsened By: Feeling out of comfort zone/control, stress.
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I took a Year at least to accept the condition. I think its harder to accept this condition than to actually treat it. As Scooby says though once you get going and good habits become established improvements will inevitabely come..I haven't read very much on this site, or very much on this area yet, as I find it stressfull to confront this. But of course life isn't pleasant at the mo as this thing dominates. Find it very difficult to get up and running on this issue.
Age: 29 | Onset Age: 26 | Symptoms: initially severe burning throughout pelvis - much better; muscles spasms all over region, back pain, chronic IBS (much better) | Helped By: Psychotherapy, SP stretches, swimming, accepting the condition (understanding there is treatment); stress/anxiety management; possibly basic quercetin; valerian root, vit B & calc & magn supplements; gluten avoidance & especially dealing with chronic constipation. | Worsened By: stress / anxiety, too much sex; repressed emotions; personality goodist traits. 80% better
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damien6
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Thanks I'm making progess at the moment so thats good.
Damien
Damien
Age:29 | Onset Age:24 Correct diagnosis Age: 27.5 | Symptoms: pain, burning in genital region | Helped By: Initial cystoscopy procedure which removed stricture and bladder carcinoma 30% better, less stress, getting better gradually | Worsened By: Feeling out of comfort zone/control, stress.
