Feel better first few minutes in the morning
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graeme
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Feel better first few minutes in the morning
I for one find my pain around the prostate area is a lot less first thing in the morning after I've been to sleep.Does anyone else find this I suppose its down to the deep relaxation you get in sleep similar to that in the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol this for one tells me that my pain is the muscles and not infection :x
Age:33 | Onset Age:19 | Symptoms:burning urethra, deep sore stinging around the perineum, dribbling | Helped By:when flare starts deep relaxing over a toilet to let out dribbling urine, hot bath, rubbing a heat cream on the perineum, Tens with a pad on the perineum, running, medication (solpadol) for pain. Current treatment: PT. | Worsened By:sitting, stressing over it, ejaculation, sometimes alcohol but I risk it. Been feeling a lot better last 6 months about 85% with a few flares lasting about 5 days. No longer having PT. Stretching every other night and I believe time is also a big factor for me
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scotsman
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You'll find that virtually all sufferers are much better the moment they wake up. I'm pretty much symptom free for the first 10 mins once I wake then the pain starts.
It's probably a mixture of the relaxed muscles but also I've been thinking that it might also be down to the brain taking a little time to register that discomfort again. I've had this for almost three years now and I don't believe my chronically shortened and dysfunctional muscles are completely fine when I wake up - the pain is still there but it seems to take 10 mins before my brain notices it again.
Richard.
It's probably a mixture of the relaxed muscles but also I've been thinking that it might also be down to the brain taking a little time to register that discomfort again. I've had this for almost three years now and I don't believe my chronically shortened and dysfunctional muscles are completely fine when I wake up - the pain is still there but it seems to take 10 mins before my brain notices it again.
Richard.
Not medical advice: Read my progress to date : Read about my W-A clinic visit
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
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BilleyeDoc
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The decrease in pain may also be due to the fact that when you are flat in bed there is no pressure on the prostate or on the nerve complex around the area. I have no pain at night and for the first 2-3 hours during the day. Since I sit a lot at work my symptoms begin to increase as the day goes on.
Age: 47 | Onset Age: 45 | Symptoms: frequency, burning in sacral area and left thigh and groin | Helped By: flat in bed,vesicare, exercise | Worsened By: sitting
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timberdoodle
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I would absolutely ditto what Billeyedoc has said: pain is pretty well gone in the a.m. (most days), but increases as I sit in the office throughout the day. I have always attributed it to the muscles being more relaxed, but Richard's point is a good one too: the brain may take a few minutes to "wake up" and remember that, "Oh yeah, I'm supposed to be sensing pain again."
Age: 40 Symptoms for seven years; Symptoms include: subrapubic & genital discomfort; perrenial pain, feeling like groin is swollen, problems with urinary frequency are resolved; helped by: abdominal stretching, Theracane work on abdomen, light exercise (nordic track); worsened by: sitting and office work
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CppsDad
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That happens to me much of the time. Other times, due to nighttime erections, I wake up very sore. It's usually one or the other.
This is NOT medical advice. I am NOT a doctor.
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
Age: 43 CPPS: 10+ Yrs Recovery Status: 80-85% Symptoms: Pain in testicles, scrotum, rectum, prostate, perineum Makes Worse: Anxiety, Tension, too much Nookie Makes Better: Stretching, Abdominal Massage (Go Theracane!), Relaxation
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Amergin
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Hi guys,
I am still relativelynew to the idea of prostatitis but this sounds like the the same story - mostly I am pain free in the am and it returns during the early afternoon (offfice job) and continues until I fall asleep. I am still having problems getting my head around the physiological / psychological causes that are discussed in the forum as there is a lot of talk about stress and lifestyle but also a load about trigger points, stretching etc. I live in Eastern Europe and so far awareness of this amongst the doctors I've seen is zero - it's always you've got no infection so it's all in your head! There seems to be no belief in physiological causes.
Regards,
Amergin
I am still relativelynew to the idea of prostatitis but this sounds like the the same story - mostly I am pain free in the am and it returns during the early afternoon (offfice job) and continues until I fall asleep. I am still having problems getting my head around the physiological / psychological causes that are discussed in the forum as there is a lot of talk about stress and lifestyle but also a load about trigger points, stretching etc. I live in Eastern Europe and so far awareness of this amongst the doctors I've seen is zero - it's always you've got no infection so it's all in your head! There seems to be no belief in physiological causes.
Regards,
Amergin
Age: 34 Onset: April 2005 | Symptoms: Burning and redness at penis tip, pain in urethra, supra-pubic pain on the right-hand-side. Makes worse: sitting for prolonged periods, sexual activity Makes better: walking
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Sleeper Service
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Hi,
Me too to a degree - symptoms are generally less in the morning (unless I've done something stupid the night before like Hot Dogs and Mustard
) and build during the day. Usually peak about 7.00 PM before settling down a bit later on.
Amergin - as for awareness of doctors, it's not just Eastern Europe believe me. There are a lot of good medics out there who know about it but there are a large number who don't and just ain't interested if an antibiotic can't help you.
Me too to a degree - symptoms are generally less in the morning (unless I've done something stupid the night before like Hot Dogs and Mustard
) and build during the day. Usually peak about 7.00 PM before settling down a bit later on.Amergin - as for awareness of doctors, it's not just Eastern Europe believe me. There are a lot of good medics out there who know about it but there are a large number who don't and just ain't interested if an antibiotic can't help you.
Age 56: Onset 2006 and bouts on and off since then. See posts for details.
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The two things are intimately linked!Amergin wrote:... there is a lot of talk about stress and lifestyle but also a load about trigger points ...
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scotsman
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If eating food makes a big difference to your symptoms them try Prelief - it helped me.Sleeper Service wrote:...unless I've done something stupid the night before like Hot Dogs and Mustard...
In the UK you can buy it from http://www.nutricentre.com (£14.99 for 120 tablets).
Richard.
Not medical advice: Read my progress to date : Read about my W-A clinic visit
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
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LightningTree
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You can take advantage of this fact in the early afternoons. If you can take a brief nap and do so lying on your stomach, you can feel much better when you wake up.
As for it being a matter of the brain cluing into the pain, I have thought about that as well. But I have to say as I got better at relaxing, the pain took longer and longer to come back after waking. But in general, I agree with you Scotsman, I think something is cluing in once we wake up. I'm just optimistic that it is more than just the pain signal cluing in, and I guess I'd like you to be optimistic about that too, I know you've been working on this for a long time.
As a youngster with a broken finger, I remember that it hurt the very moment I woke up. There was no brain cluing in time.
But it might be that the brain's role in the syndrome has to kick into gear, and your goal is to find an alternate gear to put it in.
Furthermore, I found lying on my stomach and relaxing as much as possible caused the pain to become less (back in the years when it was bad). These days, if I feel the pain coming on, I just put my fingers on my perineum and push a bit until I can feel my pulse. I then work on relaxing the pulse until I can't feel the beating anymore, and the pain subsides.
I really feel this is an issue with the central nervous system not behaving correctly in control of the smooth muscle around blood vessels, and biofeedback of any emotional or physical variety is useful to try to get the brain to compensate. Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, biofeedback, and Sarnot, in my opinion, all work towards this end, although differing in the extent of mind or body causality.
As for it being a matter of the brain cluing into the pain, I have thought about that as well. But I have to say as I got better at relaxing, the pain took longer and longer to come back after waking. But in general, I agree with you Scotsman, I think something is cluing in once we wake up. I'm just optimistic that it is more than just the pain signal cluing in, and I guess I'd like you to be optimistic about that too, I know you've been working on this for a long time.
As a youngster with a broken finger, I remember that it hurt the very moment I woke up. There was no brain cluing in time.
But it might be that the brain's role in the syndrome has to kick into gear, and your goal is to find an alternate gear to put it in.
Furthermore, I found lying on my stomach and relaxing as much as possible caused the pain to become less (back in the years when it was bad). These days, if I feel the pain coming on, I just put my fingers on my perineum and push a bit until I can feel my pulse. I then work on relaxing the pulse until I can't feel the beating anymore, and the pain subsides.
I really feel this is an issue with the central nervous system not behaving correctly in control of the smooth muscle around blood vessels, and biofeedback of any emotional or physical variety is useful to try to get the brain to compensate. Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, biofeedback, and Sarnot, in my opinion, all work towards this end, although differing in the extent of mind or body causality.
This is not medical advice, and I am NOT a doctor of medicine or a related field.
* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
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