Guercini / prostatitis2000.org / intraprostatic injections

[londoner]

Out of interest, why was my posting about prostatitis2000.org pulled?

I felt it was on-subject as it discusses PT therapy as well as removal of prostatic stones. My previous posting "Stones" (lower down the list) has not had any responses so I'm trying to find out by other means, any therapies to deal with them.

[webslave]

This topic is well discussed at the page:
https://ucpps.men/intraprostatic-injections-of-antibiotics-and-steroids-in-prostatitis

as well as other threads on this forum.

Please bear in mind that there have been some very negative reports about this treatment. Eg (from Usenet)

I suggest all of you: don't have intraprostatic injections!!! I lost erection and penis sensitivity with one intraprostatic injection happened a year ago. I got a great pain in perineum and in the pubic area starting the days after the injection. My pain was so great that it was very difficult to walk. Now, I have pain in perineum, erectile dysfunction and a terrible lack of sensitivity in penis. I'm sure that intraprostatic injections are very dangerous for the prostate and for the pudendal nerves.

Believe me

Good luck,
Riccardo.

[webslave]

I had correspondence with this man:

From: xxxx
To: "ucpps.men Webmaster"
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Quackery

I'm 33 years old and I have symtoms of frequent urination during the
day and during the night since 1995 - 1996. In 1998 I went for the
first time to an uro. He said to me that I had chronic prostatitis and
that there was nothing to do. He gave me some antibiotics for few
days, I felt better (for some weeks) and I stopped thinking of it till
2001. I had no pain, I seldom had a little pain in the pubic region
but for few hours, a day at maximum, it depended on what I drunk and
ate, I suppose, and I didn't have any sexually-related sympthom.

In the first months of 2001 I was navigating on the Internet and I met
the prostatitis2000.org site, and dr. Guercini that promised to
cure chronic prostatitis. I told to myself: let's try... It was the
biggest mistake of my life.

Dr. Guercini by e-mail said to me that I had to do some culture tests,
and I did them. All the cultures and the PCR tests were negative, but
I had a positivity: the IgA anti-Chlamidia in my semen (not the
Chlamydia, the IgA only). He told me that I had Chlamydia in my
prostate and that I needed three injections to cure the chronic
prostatitis. I thought that in 3-4 weeks I would have forgotten my
sympthoms, and I went to Rome for the first injection.

The first injection was made of xilocaina, gentamicina, bentelan, and
was pain-less, as dr. Guercini told me. I didn't think of my prostate
in the 2-3 days after the injection, but I noticed that my penis was
very very quiescent: I didn't have an erection, even when I woke up in
the morning or in the night. I alarmed myself when I realized, after 3
days, that I couldn't have an erection at all, and that I had a big
lack of sentitivity in my penis, that was enourmosly contracted, so
contracted to seem "hard". I phoned to dr. Guercini and I asked him
what had happened, and he told me that it was all in my head... I told
him that he should have to visit me again to see what had happened,
and that I was not going to have an other injection before
understanding my new simpthoms. He told me: if you don't want to have
the second injection, don't come to Rome, come back when you'll feel
better, when you'll have won your fear... Some days later a great pain
in the perineum appared, so great that I couldn't walk.

Now, I have the same sympthoms of frequent urination (the urinary flow
has become weaker), and, since the day of the injection (about ten
months ago) , I have erectile dysfunction, lack of sensitivity in my
penis, and pain in the perineum. Other uros visited me, and noticed a
very inflamed prostate, but they can't explain the lack of
sensitivity. They are very concerned about me, and they can't say if
the injection has increased an existing infection/inflammation, or if
something has been damaged by the injection itself. I'm going to do
some further examinations to understand better my situation.

So, I recommend all the prostatitis sufferers: DON'T TRY THIS
DANGEROUS THERAPY! DON'T TRUST ANYONE WHO PROMISE YOU SOMETHING THAT
OTHERS UROS CAN'T PROMISE.

That's all... I assure you that all I said it's absolutely true. If
you can suggest something to try to solve my problem, you're welcome.
Thank you very much for your attention.

At 07.37 21/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:

> This is important new information. Do you mind if
> I publish this information without your name attached?

>----- Original Message -----

>From:

>To: <[email protected]>

>Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:16 AM
>Subject: Quackery

> > I'm an italian 33 years old man with a
> > big problem related to prostatitis.
> > About ten months ago I had an
> > intraprostatic injection of antibiotics in
> > my prostate by Dott. Guercini in Rome
> > (see http://www.prostatitis2000.org). I
> > had positivness of IgA anti-Clamydia T
> > and the symptoms were only of
> > frequent urination (less than 2 hours in
> > the day, twice during the night). I
> > didn't have pain and sexually-related
> > sympthoms. Three days after the
> > injection I discovered that I could not
> > have an erection and that I had a big
> > lack of sensitivity in my penis. Then
> > (after 10-15 days) a great pain in the
> > perineum appared (so great that I
> > couldn't walk). So, after Guercini's
> > treatment all my sympthoms became
> > worse and I now I have new
> > sympthoms that I never had before.
> > I suggest all of you not to make the

> > same mistake!!!! If you want some

> > further details, I'll give you. Best
> > regards,

[Ralph]

I have to admit, this therapy of injecting the prostate just doesn't sound right to me. I'm unclear as to what he's treating. It sounds as thought the injection is producing a long term nerve block with a long acting "Lidocaine" and possibly even chronic nerve damage/ablation. I'm not sure I would trust the contents of those injections.

[londoner]

Thanks - that's very useful to know. Is this a similar intervention to the one Dr. Shoskes practices?

[webslave]

No, quite different. Dr Shoskes uses non-invasive means of attacking calcifications (an antibiotic plus de-calcifying agents).

[Ralph]

No, quite different. Dr Shoskes uses non-invasive means of attacking calcifications (an antibiotic plus de-calcifying agents).

I think he uses EDTA rectal suppositories.


Have you seen any published results from this approach?

[webslave]

I suspect something is about to be published :happy:

[londoner]

I'm struck by your correspondent who had suffered such bad effects. Did you hear from him again? Do you know whether his condition resolved?

Paul

[webslave]

The last we heard from Riccardo was in 2003:

From: "Riccardo" <[email protected]>
Posting-Date: 18 Jan 2003 13:25:13 GMT

My question is about intra prostatic injections. If there is really afact that you suffer from bacterial prostatitis, I have red a lot of people that claim oral antibiotics dont cure them. These docotors that perform the treatment, Guercini, Bahn and som other claims that they can cure you if you really have bacteria causing your problems. Most of the time when I have aske this question people tell me that they are just interested in you money, but they could`nt keep continuing this kind of treatment if nobody was cured? So I was wondering if anybody really can expalin to me wath this is all about. Is there anybosy with experience from this kind of treatment?

YES, and it's a very dangerous therapy. STAY AWAY!! I'm telling this to you, as I would say to my brother or to my best friend. I had an intraprostatic injection on April 2001 and I LOSE FOR EVER PENIS SENSITIVITY. I had several months of ED 100% following the procedure. Now erection has improved but it is still weak and disturbed, because of the lack of sensitivity problem. Some days after the injection, I developed a very strong pain in the perineum, and it is still there. My penis is cold and very contracted, so contracted to seem "hard" even if it is not erected. No pleasure sensations during sex. During the injection, something went wrong, surely. My prostatitis increased a lot after the injection (after immediately after, the days following the injection), and, likely, the pudendal nerves were damaged by the needle, and/or by the anhestetic, and/or by the injected fluids pressure. Nobody, till now, was able to help me, and I'm desperate. So: be careful with intraprostatic njections!!

[norprost]

Hi all

I didn't post for couple of months but now I think I have to add something to this topic.

Before I make my warning about intraprostatic injections I have to admit that only this kind of treatment gave me some relief so far yet at least temporarily. But I wanna share my story, because it can be dangerous.

I have vericose vein in my right leg for about 12 years and a day after the second injection, which was given to the right lobe of the prostate, I got phlebitis (inflammation of the vein). I didn't have phlebitis before, so I'm sure it's because of the injection. It was very painful but cured after about a week. After the 3rd round of injections (both sides) I was glad because my prostatitis symptoms reduced significantly. Suddenly after 24 days I had serious chest pain and I developed lung embolization. I spent 10 days in hospital and was lucky that the blood clot dissolved in 2 days with cumarin. Well, cardiologists were not sure what caused it because varicose veins thrombus does not cause embolization AFAIK only thrombus from deep veins. When I mentioned the injection I was told that cortisone can be responsible. I told this to Dr.Guercini and he said he doesn't use that much cortisone which could cause problem...

So I just want to let you know my story and be careful when you consider such treatment which has potentional symptom relief but also serious side effect.

I started trigger point therapy with a PT, had 3 sessions, found numerous trigger poionts, really painful treatments. Symptoms (mostly urinary) still there, but I hope I will post a success story soon.

Happy New Year to all!

Norprost