My 1st Visit with Doctor Bahn

[MikeinCA]

I started this thread on the prostatitis--dot--org web site. I thought it might be of interest here. I know that site has become an advertisement tool for overseas exploration. But thought some here may find interest in it.


Just a quick update on my first visit. I found everyone there very friendly and helpful. I came here really in pain from a UROs EPS-he caused me a lot more problems. All I can say now is that I did the ultrasound that showed a long history of an infection. I guess the one URO that said it was in my head was a real ****'. The procedure was almost painless-it was when the TRUS went in was the only shocker. I talked with the staff and seemed to make some friends. They only charged me 300 for the TRUS and injections. Only signed a few forms on arrival. Dr Bahn is very professional and I found him very friendly. He gave me 5 injections. One in each vessel and three in the right lobe and 2 in the left. He was targeting a place of calcification. All I can say now is while I'm sitting I have no pain, but still feels inflamed from the previous URO. It has been 7 hours since the procedure. Sorry for any errors I writing this without my glasses so bare with me. The most pain was on the left side when sitting, but Dr Bahn said the majority of my problem was on the right side. The vessels had no calcification-he mentioned the vessels are harder to treat. I asked him about the possibility of removing calcification-He said it's not possible, but many people have it without a problem-like me that went 15 years after a positive culture before it started. So I was fine with the problem until it went off this year. I'm hoping to get this problem some what resolved. He did remember Jamse-D's uro we talked about his treatment. I can only say now that it's worth a try! I can say that the pain I had it now gone. I can say the inflammation is still there from flair up caused by the previous URO. I can also saw I now can stand and urinate and not have to sit-I will continue the injections which are 200 a pop. Dr Bahn is not in this to make money as you can see from today. He is truly interested in helping people. PS I saw the needle, which was very long and very thin. It caused no pain on injection. PS I was over joyed to see how thin it was ha ha.


He said I went through the shots really well. I told him that I've been stuck so many times in the military I didn't mind them anymore.

Anyway I will keep everyone posted on any improvements. My next appointment is on the 13th. They told me that some respond to the first injection while others the 4th. I feel totally undamaged from the
experience.

[Sleeper Service]

Hope it goes well. Some people here have reported success with injections so fingers crossed. More importantly it's not going to cost you $20K and Bahn has actually published his results which are quite encouraging.

[MikeinCA]

Hope it goes well. Some people here have reported success with injections so fingers crossed. More importantly it's not going to cost you $20K and Bahn has actually published his results which are quite encouraging.

Thank you Sleeper for your support.

Actually Dr Bahn never did charge me for the TRUS just the medication. I can't comment on Songs procedure, but have seen my calcification on the TRUS during the procedure-I can't imagine urinating glasses full of it for over a month. The gland is the size of a walnut. It simply is not possible.

I'll maintain my thread on that web site. And the best of luck to you!

[webslave]

I did the ultrasound that showed a long history of an infection.

Mike, what does this mean? Ultrasound cannot visualise infection, as far as I know. And a calcification does not mean you ever had an infection, or have one now.

[MikeinCA]

I did the ultrasound that showed a long history of an infection.

Mike, what does this mean? Ultrasound cannot visualise infection, as far as I know.

Dr Bahn was referring to the amount of calcification I have on my right lobe. He stated it is formed as a result of an infection-It's hard to remember his exact words, but he mentioned that calcium deposits are formed in an attempt to neutralize "or surround" the invading pathogen. Lying on ones side feeling very helpless with the TRUS in my backside reduced my attention span. All I can say at the moment is my pain has been reduced greatly and the burning urine is gone for now at least. I'm hoping the inflammation with slowly decrease I still follow the protocol as I find it very helpful and most important-my opinion may very greatly from others, but to me whether the original problem was caused by external forces, stress or some type of infection "even if eradicated" the end results are similar.

[webslave]

Mike, most doctors believe that prostatic calcification develops by calcification of corpora amylacea. These are small round or ovoid bodies seen inside prostatic acini, and are derived from desquamated epithelial cells and proteinaceous material on which calcium hydroxyapatite is deposited. They are usually asymptomatic, though occasionally these calcifications move into a duct orifice and are passed per urethra.

Most men who have prostatic stones are over 50 years of age, when sexuality is usually confined to one partner, and so I do not see the logic of associating it with infection. Stones are rare in young men.

[MikeinCA]

Webslave

Thank you for the information. I mentioned to Dr Bahn that the left side felt worse then the right, which showed little or no build up. I was actually doing well until a URO caused a flair up. One interesting note is after the flair up my sinus problem worsened. I believe there's a chemical production connection between the two. What's your opinion? It has calmed down somewhat since my pain has decreased. In my opinion-the prostatitis caused the sinus problem to begin with.

[webslave]

Sinusitis is very common in men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (it's also common in the general population too, but seems even more common in our group). We know that men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome and/or IC (and women with IC) have a much higher incidence of allergies than the normal population, and sinusitis is associated with allergies.

It's not commonly reported that a chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome flare accompanies a sinusitis flare, but it could be associated. For instance, I am allergic to grasses and grass seeds generally. If I eat corn (a member of the grass family), I get post-nasal drip and stuffy nose (the first stages of sinusitis for me). I also get this reaction to wheat (grass), barley (grass), oats (grass) and milk. Some of these items also have an effect on my chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (I can go from asymptomatic to very painful in a few weeks if I eat wheat daily). So controlling my sinuses and pelvic pain goes hand-in-hand in some ways.

So in summary, if you are one of those people who has sinusitis as part of your health picture, you may benefit from finding the triggers of inflammation for your sinuses, because the trigger/s may be affecting your pelvic pain as well. I recommend this book for starters:

Food Allergies and Food Intolerance : The Complete Guide to Their Identification and Treatment Jonathan Brostoff MD, Linda Gamlin

[MikeinCA]

Sinusitis is very common in men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (it's also common in the general population too, but seems even more common in our group). We know that men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome and/or IC (and women with IC) have a much higher incidence of allergies than the normal population, and sinusitis is associated with allergies.

Webslave

You my find this interesting. I told my GP about the prostatitis and the sinus connection. He gave me a scrip for Astelin. I found the results to be very positive. In fact, after one days use the crackling in my right ear is nearly gone. The effects are only for about 6 hours. The medication has no side effects and is non addictive. It's certainly worth a try for those that fly often.

[HelpADude]

Webslave, how long after you first stop the intake of wheat did you notice an improvement?

[webslave]

Mike, thanks for the tip on Astelin (azelastine).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azelastine

Helpadude, I noticed an almost immediate increase in energy levels and decrease in fatigue and sleepiness, also my stools became firm and not loose for the first time in my life, but the chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome improvement came slowly. In fact I was only able to link my chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome to gluten by eating gluten when I was completely symptomless, and then saw the symptoms start to return. I tested this several times and each time was the same, so I am sure of the connection. There is no doubt that some men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome have this linkage to grass/gluten, and there are a few other posters here who had amazing responses to gluten restriction (difficult to do, even beer contains gluten).

[MikeinCA]

Webslave

There also seems to be a connection between prostatitis and sinusitis as an autoimmune problem triggered by varies events. While the event is over and biology wise your body returns too normal over time-it's suggested that the problem or problems associated with the event still persist.

Back to bahn's injections- I can say my pain is still reduced, but from an earlier flair up I still have to sit to urinated about half the time. Do you have any suggestions for improving that problem? On another note I noticed I was burping a lot from all the antibiotics I’ve used. I tried nyistin powder-Orally it seems to have resolved the burping-I heard it could be related to fungal problems. There's been a lot of research on sinusitis mayo clinic is a fungal supporter from a 99 study while new research has suggested acute attacks caused by "88%" anerobic bacteria-perhaps a combo of both. Not to mention allergies. It was after an acute attack I came down with prostatitis. Now my sinusitis is very mild if there at all, but still have some inflamation.

[webslave]

Mike, please list everything you've tried so far besides injections and antibiotics.

[MikeinCA]

Webslave

As of now I'm have only used valium in small amounts, fish flax and fish oil, probiotics, IntestiMax, colostrum-no drinking "only bottled water". Tried red wine seemed to have no effect go or bad "other then a hangover" since I'm not use to drinking. Flomax seemed to do nothing-before the flair I only urinated 9 times a day drinking lots of water. Flair was induced by prostate massage. Hoping I can get back to where I was. Didn’t want to take anymore oral antibiotics-I’ve had enough of the side effects. I do a lot of walking and stretching.

While on levaquin my symptoms increased dramatically and then tapered off to just a burning sensation. I believe Abs have antinflammatory qualities. I could only survive two weeks on it. I started the massages in an attempt to relieve all symptoms-big mistake, but had read of many success stories.

[webslave]

Well, there's an awful lot you have not tried. Start off with (free) Quercetin, and later on combine that with some Elavil.