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Anxiety
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:43 pm
by rider fan
Does anyone know of a good book that deals with natural methods of dealing with anxiety. I'm in the midst of a large change at work, and as usual, me and change aren't getting along.
I've started on my usual of anxiety and sleep deprivation, which leads to more anxiety, etc.
Any help is much appreciated.
thanks
RF
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:08 pm
by carld
Try looking into neurofeedback. You can google it and it will explain it all. I can't tell you what a change it has made for me to my over all protocol in dealing with anxiety and pannic disorder....
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:00 am
by PagesOfTime
I found the above book extremely helpful.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:47 pm
by bellowbellow
Anxiety: Orthomolecular Diagnosis and Treatment, by Dr. Jonathan Prousky (intro by Abram Hoffer) is the best book I've read on treating anxiety naturally.... probably the best book out there.....

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:11 pm
by rider fan
I will look into these. Thanks very much guys!
RF
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:53 pm
by NoMoPain
Rider Fan,
What has been helpful to me for reducing anxiety is some type of cognitive work. There are many different styles such as Byron katie, Albert Ellis, and many others. Byron katie is what I always recommend to people, the website is at
http://www.thework.com.
The main gist of this cognitive approach is to question the thoughts and beliefs that are causing the anxiety. For example, you say you are in the midst of a large change at work. What is it about this large change that is causing you such anxiety ? Is it that you may lose your job ? Longer work hours ? etc..
Keep questioning and disputing the stressful beliefs and eventually you will find a good night's sleep.
NoMopain.
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:02 pm
by carld
NoMoPain wrote:Rider Fan,
What has been helpful to me for reducing anxiety is some type of cognitive work. There are many different styles such as Byron katie, Albert Ellis, and many others. Byron katie is what I always recommend to people, the website is at
http://www.thework.com.
The main gist of this cognitive approach is to question the thoughts and beliefs that are causing the anxiety. For example, you say you are in the midst of a large change at work. What is it about this large change that is causing you such anxiety ? Is it that you may lose your job ? Longer work hours ? etc..
Keep questioning and disputing the stressful beliefs and eventually you will find a good night's sleep.
NoMopain.
This is good advise, but I found "The work" to be very disconnected to events that happen to people. Also not very practical in real life events. It's an approach that to me seems like what ever happens, happens and that's it. So be it, move on kind of approach that is not very realistic when tragedy happens or pain is upon you. Her work is more hippie like, to not be attached to anything and that where you are is where you are supposed to be etc.....
The intention is good, but the delivery of it was very goofy, example is She talks about doing a bunch of things in the kitchen and the texture of the salad is amazing and the color of the food is amazing yada yada yada...the phone rings and She falls on the floor, but while this is happening she is enjoying the beauty of her fall and the wonderful wood floor she is now laying on and how beautiful the chaos is and it's like music in her ears and all that BS...Real goofy and corny!!! After I listened to the first few CD's of "The work", I put it up on Ebay...I don't recommend it.
I would stick to the cognitive work through a good therapist that knows about neurofeedback and train your brain waves not to react to stressful events etc...

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:32 pm
by NoMoPain
Carld,
In many ways I agree with your assessment of Byron Katie. Sometimes she does seem to be "way out there".
However, I have still found her simple technique to be highly effective at reducing stress. Remember, her approach is the cognitive method that Dr Wise himself recommends to be the best as he wrote in his AHIP book. Also, there has been some empirical research by cognitive therapists that suggest that her method works better than traditional methods. I went to one of her events and there were several cognitive therapists that were there to learn her methods.
I guess my main point is that her enquiry technique can be extremely valuable for stress reduction (by stress I mean anxiety, depression, anger, etc..). When I met her in person she seemed very connected, happy, and excuberated great energy and relaxation.
Again, I don't mean to disagree or argue with you, but I would not want to put off how valuable her "Enquiry Technique" is. She has helped thousands of people from big time suffering.
Thanks,
NoMopain
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:17 pm
by carld
No mo pain,
I think Her intention is great and She has helped many people. Listening to her work driving home up Pacific coast highway here in Los Angeles was very inspiring, but I just couldn't take the detachment She talks about. To me, Family is what I live for, I guess being Italian and dramatic has something to do with that. I tend to be very attached emotionally to my family and worry by nature more then I probably should.
Cheers my friend...PS, it's great to read that you are doing so well these days.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:24 am
by rider fan
NoMoPain wrote:Rider Fan,
What has been helpful to me for reducing anxiety is some type of cognitive work. There are many different styles such as Byron katie, Albert Ellis, and many others. Byron katie is what I always recommend to people, the website is at
http://www.thework.com.
The main gist of this cognitive approach is to question the thoughts and beliefs that are causing the anxiety. For example, you say you are in the midst of a large change at work. What is it about this large change that is causing you such anxiety ? Is it that you may lose your job ? Longer work hours ? etc..
Keep questioning and disputing the stressful beliefs and eventually you will find a good night's sleep.
NoMopain.
Thanks. I have found helpful to question my beliefs. I tend to think the worst, and once I realize that the worst probably won't happen, and even if it does I'll be able to deal with it, I calm down. It's a lot of self talk and keeping my thoughts from running away on me.
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:35 am
by garyholc
I dont know if you are in the UK or not but over here I take herbal tablets called Kalms and they seem to work. 1 3x a day. They do considerably reduce my anxiety.
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:33 pm
by carld
garyholc wrote:I don't know if you are in the UK or not but over here I take herbal tablets called Kalms and they seem to work. 1 3x a day. They do considerably reduce my anxiety.
That's great and all, but what are you doing cognitively to work on your anxiety issues. To address the real issues behind your anxiety.
For me always worrying about my health or health anxiety was a factor for me to get control of.
