A case for drainage, bacteria, Manila Protocol

[tractor316]

Good post TK . I believe until a lot more Doctors start looking at alternative cures other than antibiotics aimed at curing an infection that is not there it will be a long time in changing the way patients with CP will look for cures that do not involve antibiotics . As a whole we trust our uro's and GP's . In cases like this we have to educate ourselves until we can get the medical community on board . And I agree webslave has worked incredibly hard in getting people to take a look at different ways to treat this . And to disprove the wrong theories and the scams . Keep reading nickjr4 and I also welcome you to this forum . Your not alone in your search for a cure or at least a better life style .

[webslave]

until a lot more Doctors start looking at alternative cures other than antibiotics aimed at curing an infection

I see evidence of this already. At least on the web, medical pages are already discouraging antibiotic use for pelvic pain. This new ethos will ripple through to the urological community in the next 2-5 years.

Good posts, TK and Tractor.

[MastCells]

Is there some method of confirming or ruling out the calcification?

Yes, a transrectal ultrasound can detect prostatic calcifications and rule out blockage of the ejaculatory duct.

Info on TRUS

Yes, except that the key piece of information, a bacterial test of fluid from inside the acini is missing, right? And if so, doesn't that suggest that the testing is as yet incomplete?

And if your EPS contains bacteria, so what? You still don't know if they are pathogens or harmless commensals. Remember that healthy men who don't have prostatitis have bacteria in their prostatic fluid too.

But I also see posts sometimes talking about EPS with large clumps of bacteria and other junk

"Large clumps of bacteria" were found in someone's EPS? I'd be very surprised at that! What species of bacteria was identified?

But isn't it possible that in my case an infection is inside?

Pretty unlikely, IMO.

If you want to continue down this path, fine. Just 1) watch out for the quacks who lie to you and try to steal your money, and 2) be careful with antibiotics. I took months and months of antibiotics a while back (Trovan, Doxycycline, Bactrim, etc.); all they did was make me sicker. In fact, years later I'm still suffering from the damage they caused.

[MastCells]

A while ago I posted a statement that I would not allow a stream of posts to this site asking about the Manila Protocol. That very thing is what ruined the Usenet prostatitis newsgroup. The fact that there are websites out there spreading this commercially-inspired misinformation does not mean we have to turn this site into a remedial center, trying to undo their malfeasance on a daily basis. There are enough posts here about the Manila Protocol and bacteria to make it crystal clear to visitors, at least those who are prepared to make even the most cursory examination of the existing posts, what our attitude to the infection theory is.

Very well put. I couldn't agree more with you on this.

[latte]

If you really want to know if you have calcifications, ask you doctor if a transrectal ultrasound will be of diagnostic value. I had one and it is painless. I am not sure, but I think all men have some degree of calcifications.

[nickjr4]

And if your EPS contains bacteria, so what? You still don't know if they are pathogens or harmless commensals. Remember that healthy men who don't have prostatitis have bacteria in their prostatic fluid too.

Yes I have read that - but there are people posting here who say that they have confirmed cases of Chronic Bacterial Prostatitis. Do you and Mark think that anybody who claims this is wrong?

[webslave]

Once again: chronic bacterial prostatitis (CBP) is a quite different beast to chronic pelvic pain/CPPS/pelvic myoneuropathy/IC. CBP is characterised by intermittent UTIs interspersed with symptom-free periods. CBP is readily ascertainable though cultures and testing -- the bacteria are not "shy", they are easily found. CBP yields in over 75% of cases to prolonged administration of antibiotics. Patients with CBP do not have all the hallmarks of CPPS, like post ejaculatory pain etc.

More:
https://ucpps.men/bacteria-and-chronic-prostatitis-CPPS