I have begun using the low temperature WIT protocol in men with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome that was presented by Dr. Guercini and his European colleagues. My VERY EARLY impression is that it is most helpful for men with recurrent bouts of prostatitis that typically respond to antibiotics but always come back. I am 4 for 4 in that category.
For men with pain as the only symptom and no history to suggest bacterial or inflammatory issues, only 1 of 4 is significantly improved. I am becoming less enthusiastic in this subset of patients but it is still very early.
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Dr Guercini has commented:
The Shoskes impression is also my idea. But the most responsive patients were those with Chlamydial infection, not with bacterial infection. Why? Not exact ideas about, but may be for the chance to disrupt the Chlamydial fibrosis (not calcific!) areas and to improve the blood circulation. We are beginning a trial with WIT in 10 patients totally amicrobial (not only abacterial), but with high sperm levels of Interleukin 2 and 6 and low level of Interleukin 10. This is in attempt of the WIT effects in suspected autoimmune prostatitis
Federico Guercini
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Can someone please elaborate on Dr. Guercini's and Dr. Shoskes use/ application of this technique. I am most curious of the part of the quote that speaks of an autoimmune prostatitis and the part about chlamydia. I have been suffering for close to 4 years with post UTI/ chlamydia CPPS.
I have been fortunate enough to be treated by Dr. Anderson (for 1 1/2 years including the same amount of time with PT from Tim Sawyer) and now have been with Dr. Weiss in San Francisco for 1 1/2 years now. Both have come to the same conclusion, that I am outside of the mean with respect to physical therapy having an impact. I also used the PT at Dr. Weiss' clinic for about a year as well, with no benefit.
Both Dr.s have used series of nerve block injections in an attempt to disrupt the cycle as well. To no avail however. Therefore, I am really curious of alternative methods and information with respect to post UTI CPPS, that may be relative to my "less common" form.
Before parting with Dr. Anderson, he told me that there is some possible merit in a post infection type response of the autoimmune system that may be the culprit in a case like mine. However, he didn't have any information to offer other than that there were some trials coming up possibly using antirejection drugs, normally used for transplant patience. I went to Dr. Weiss not for lack of Dr. Anderson's competence, but rather we exhausted his bag of tricks (nerve blocks/ PT/ etc). I can elaborate further if needed, but I would really just appreciate any information along these lines that I can communicate to Dr. Weiss. He has just returned from a forum in Athens where he presented. I know that he is open minded and does talk to his colleagues about my situation. For example we just did an anti-inflammatory/ lidocane injection for the first time. One of his colleagues (and himself) have had success in certain situations. So again, anything anyone has to offer along the lines of post UTI chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome type of therapies/ successes, etc. that I can communicate to him, would be greatly appreciated.
I have been fortunate enough to be treated by Dr. Anderson (for 1 1/2 years including the same amount of time with PT from Tim Sawyer) and now have been with Dr. Weiss in San Francisco for 1 1/2 years now. Both have come to the same conclusion, that I am outside of the mean with respect to physical therapy having an impact. I also used the PT at Dr. Weiss' clinic for about a year as well, with no benefit.
Both Dr.s have used series of nerve block injections in an attempt to disrupt the cycle as well. To no avail however. Therefore, I am really curious of alternative methods and information with respect to post UTI CPPS, that may be relative to my "less common" form.
Before parting with Dr. Anderson, he told me that there is some possible merit in a post infection type response of the autoimmune system that may be the culprit in a case like mine. However, he didn't have any information to offer other than that there were some trials coming up possibly using antirejection drugs, normally used for transplant patience. I went to Dr. Weiss not for lack of Dr. Anderson's competence, but rather we exhausted his bag of tricks (nerve blocks/ PT/ etc). I can elaborate further if needed, but I would really just appreciate any information along these lines that I can communicate to Dr. Weiss. He has just returned from a forum in Athens where he presented. I know that he is open minded and does talk to his colleagues about my situation. For example we just did an anti-inflammatory/ lidocane injection for the first time. One of his colleagues (and himself) have had success in certain situations. So again, anything anyone has to offer along the lines of post UTI chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome type of therapies/ successes, etc. that I can communicate to him, would be greatly appreciated.
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I've been on an immuno-suppressant, Purinethol, for a seperate condition. I doubt that a doc would give this drug to you for CPPS, but you never know. I takes a few months to start working (I don't take the anti-rejection dosage) and you need blood tests to monitor your blood counts.allen wrote: Before parting with Dr. Anderson, he told me that there is some possible merit in a post infection type response of the autoimmune system that may be the culprit in a case like mine. However, he didn't have any information to offer other than that there were some trials coming up possibly using antirejection drugs, normally used for transplant patience. .
Age: 32 | Symptoms: Twingy pain/muscle spasms in groin area (gone), tingling sensation at tip of penis (has resolved as of now), urinary frequency (resolved as of now), thicker/decreased amount of semen (resolved as of now). Makes better: Stretching, Relaxing pelvic muscles, moment to moment relaxation, not sitting with legs crossed, Elavil, quercetin. Makes worse: Sitting, stress, more than one orgasm/day, constipation, manual labour